Cops in St Louis "seized" rifle from couple who defended home from thugs (dictator, county)
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These two have a long history of fighting with everyone in their neighborhood, to family to municipalities.
They are nut jobs -- rich -- but nutty.
Hah, so you know them personally?
I saw the video....the first one that came out, which showed the gate all broken and the idiots yelling profanities at them....threatening them, so...doesn't matter what you think of them they had every right to do what they did, and I'd have done the very same.
This community was off the street, and gated, with signs...so, regardless of what anyone thinks of them, they were in the right.
I saw the video....the first one that came out, which showed the gate all broken and the idiots yelling profanities at them....threatening them, so...doesn't matter what you think of them they had every right to do what they did, and I'd have done the very same.
This community was off the street, and gated, with signs...so, regardless of what anyone thinks of them, they were in the right.
Sorry the first video out does not show the gate broken. It is intact and a guy is holding it open for the protesters to enter. And there is, at that point, no one engaging with McCloskey when he first appears with the gun.
According to Bent Bow in Missouri you can shoot a person fortrespassing. Still waiting for him to produce that info.
Yes the neighbors who spoke against their actions is telling. To claim there were others in support of the couple but stayed quiet out of fear of another crowd of protesters is nothing more than speculation and IMO a reach. They are not liked, they have behaved this way before, and it's disappointing that so many are defending these A-holes.
Here is what I found:
If someone is breaking into your home and you must use deadly force, there will be a presumption in Missouri that your actions were justified. You’re no longer protecting just your property; you’re now protecting yourself or your family. A mere trespasser can quickly become a more dangerous threat, so it’s crucial you understand the laws in your state. https://www.uslawshield.com/unwanted-guests-missouri/
The key phrase here is "If someone is breaking into your home". Nothing about being legally justified in shooting someone just for trespassing on your property, or being in your front yard, or even on your porch or stoop. But only if someone is in the process of forcibly breaking into your home.
I can 100% guarantee that they are already fixing to sue the City, County, and DA. Think MM
So many on this thread seem to be experts on several aspects of law, but I'll humbly admit I'm not sure what the legalities are of this whole case. I support these people but I also wonder if waving the guns around was the right thing to do. I also wasn't there and sometimes video "evidence" can be misleading and or not tell the whole picture. Some say that they should have just stayed indoors, maybe, I don't know, but what if they did start or attempt to cause property destruction , I don't think that there are always 100% clear ways to go here. Part me of thinks that them coming out heavy with the arms might have been a good thing to ensure that they kept it moving and didn't cause any destruction. I generally lean toward the less violent or confrontational approach. That said after seeing parts of their city go up in flames just days before I can see them being a bit jumpy when all of the sudden you've got 100 plus people traipsing across your property.
Private property or not if that couple had shot someone outside of the four walls of their house, and without a strong case for self-defense, they would be in serious trouble. If they were concerned for their personal safety they should have stayed inside the house with the doors locked. Then if there were a forced entry they would have been justified in shooting. But brandishing a firearm while people are walking past your house is (or should be) a chargeable offense. The gal definitely could be charged with brandishing the way she was waving her little .380 around.
Besides attempting to try their case in the media, their defense strategy appears to be as if in anticipation of criminal charges.
Just got to make a list of recent events and add them up to see a pattern.
1 Leftist politician orders confiscation of guns from people who were defending themselves from protesters (rioters) , the left say they the protesters were peaceful, plenty of news reports say otherwise.
2 If BLM is painted on your street or other places in a leftist area the politicians call it a "mural" but if someone tries to paint over it to restore the street or building to normal the left will arrest you with a "hate crime".
3 leftist politicians encourage and support protesters (rioters) taking over parts of a city like Seattle (armed with weapons just like the Missouri man was) and call it a "summer of love", while calling for defunding of police and bans on guns in general.
4 What started out as a protest against police misuse of force (which most people are against) has turned into dredging up the past acting like the U.S.A still has slavery and Jim Crow laws and the media reports everything they can about a "white person did this, a white person did that", statutes being torn down, calls to dismantle the U.S.A economic and political system, certain celebrities saying celebrating the 4th of July is celebrating "white supremacy" and how supposedly the U.S.A is just awash in racist white people everywhere who are "privileged".
5 Certain cities and colleges pushing forth mandatory courses that only white people are to take to enlighten them on how they are racist and how to acknowledge it and make amends for it.
6 Said leftist politicians and activists who often openly call themselves socialist if not Marxist attempting to end the electoral college, stack the supreme court, add senators based on population and make the district of Colombia a 51st state, all of which would solidify permanent majority control for them. One has to wonder what they would do with the constitution if having complete dominant control like that.
7 leftist politicians and activists calling for harassing people at their home, or out in public, and using social media to inform other leftists about who says something against them so other activists can go after them either personally or scare their employment into firing them.
One only look back in history , history so many times to see how this potentially plays out, in Nazi Germany painting a Swastika was considered a mural, painting over it a crime against the state, the "privileged" Jews got to wear stars , later we know what came next.
In Russia, China, Cuba, Venezuela and other countries that had a cultural communist revolution, privileged people or others deemed against the revolution or individual thought like teachers, philosophers and intellects were rounded up and either relocated or put in a trench, and all their assets confiscated.
And in the end, the leaders and people in the top tier of said political control or loyalists lived true lives of "privilege" in Nazi Germany or communist USSR while everyone else suffered.
Nothing you have posted discredits what I have posted. Again they didn't stop at the home owners house and banged drums and shouted threats to those homeowners. They also did not break down the gate upon entry as was claimed. There is absolutely no reason to believe the home owners saw them break down the gate as it didn't happen upon entry. Why wouldn't the protesters leave the same way they entered? Why would they go out another route?
As you have acknowledged the home owners over reacted by threatening the protesters with guns.
As if you were actually there? If so then you should be testifying as a material witness. Has the DA called you yet?
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