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Old 08-17-2020, 09:25 PM
 
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I think thats why most stores simply dont care..... They dont want all the problems and maybe some of them can see how stupid this thing is!

 
Old 08-18-2020, 06:47 AM
TKO
 
Location: On the Border
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I think thats why most stores simply dont care..... They dont want all the problems and maybe some of them can see how stupid this thing is!
The ones that don't care don't get my business. The state of the economy would indicate I'm far from alone. The market will dictate.
 
Old 08-18-2020, 07:02 AM
 
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The science is VERY clear.

Americans have chosen something else. Seems a bit selfish if you ask me, but that is what we have chosen.

The results are obvious: We will wrestle with this virus for years to come. Employment, social interactions, pressures on our health care system and economic activity will suffer. That is what we have chosen.

The numbers don't lie.

We could have done the right thing; put everyone in isolation, shut down our economy for a couple of months, and enforced mask wearing for everyone.

But we didn't. And so we pay. Old expression: Don't fool with mother nature. We perhaps should have listened.
 
Old 08-18-2020, 10:37 AM
 
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The numbers don't lie..
Yes, they do, at least how they are portrayed.

US CDC chart shows that as covid deaths go up, “tada!” other flu and respiratory illnesses go down. And look at how much higher 2018 flu/pneumonia deaths were than 2020 and yet there was no massive shut down & wearing masks etc., in 2018.


https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019...nchs-data.html

That is also supports what heath care professionals across the US have found: covid deaths were actually caused by other factors, same with Italy study: https://www.bloomberg.com/news/artic...ess-italy-says

Also note:
Italy & US decreasing hospitals & beds despite increasing population & elderly
https://www.statista.com/statistics/...beds-in-italy/

https://www.indexmundi.com/g/r.aspx?v=2227

https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/data/hus/2016/089.pdf



Doctor demonstrates masks DON’T work:
https://youtu.be/SrPCgh4UkAU

Fauci said, “you don’t need a mask - they’re just symbolic at this point.”
Symbolic of WHAT?


Maybe:
*Veil (like wedding bride, except government lifts veil giving people false sense of freedom & bond)
*People are masked before being executed
*Sign you will obey, even if illogical & harmful
*Sign you believe lies like how many deaths of other causes are blamed on covid
*Sign that you go along with shaming lies as if biohazard suits can be substituted with a snot rag over one’s face, to protect against deadly viruses.
*Sign you will submit to illogically harmful masks because you need to work.

Maybe masks also serve functions to:
*Dehumanize people
*Shut down (not only assembly rights) but also speech - as people don’t talk as much & cannot he heard as well while wearing masks.
*Constant fear-mongering mind control to try to persuade the masses that the lies in blaming covid for other deaths, denying Constitutional rights with double standards, “must be true because everyone’s going along with it.”
**A step in illegally forcing medical treatment
*Stir up contention between those for & against masks.
*Weakens us psychologically & socially
*Weakens us physically - decreases oxygen by up to 20%. Multiple studies show masks (even N95) don’t help & often harm:

 
Old 08-18-2020, 11:34 AM
 
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Masks are not only ineffective but also harmful.

”“I just don’t get it. Why don’t you want to wear a mask?”

It’s not just that masks most likely don’t work to stop the spread of coronavirus. Wearing a mask can harm your health.

Earlier this month an Australian news outlet reported that two 14-year-old Chinese boys collapsed and died six days apart while exercising wearing masks.

“It happened within two to three minutes during his physical training class. He was wearing a mask while lapping the running track, then he suddenly fell backwards and hit his head on the ground. I suspect it was because he was wearing a mask,” one of the grieving fathers told reporters.

Both handmade cloth masks and N95 masks can severely limit oxygen intake, making breathing more difficult.

9 ways that wearing a mask can harm your health:

1) Wearing a mask reduces blood oxygenation, especially in people over 35. Indeed, a team of researchers from the Department of Neurosurgery at Ufuk University in Ankara, Turkey reported that the longer a mask is worn the more the blood is desaturated. These researchers also assert that: “Surgeons in the operating room frequently experience physical discomfort, fatigue, and possibly even deterioration of surgical judgment and performance. Although considerable information exists about the effects of ambient environment on both mental and physical performance, the final “personal” environment for the surgeon beneath the surgical mask is often very inadequately conditioned…it is known that heat and moisture trapping occur beneath surgical masks…” (source).

2) Wearing a mask increases blood carbon dioxide levels. Citing four different scientific studies, Dr. Zheng Zhaoshi, PH.D. M.D. at the Department of Neurology, The Third Hospital of Jilin University, “Oxygen concentration inhaled by healthy subjects wearing a surgical mask covering an N95 respirator decreases to about 17%, and the concentration of carbon dioxide increases to about 1.2% – 3% in a short period of light work (2-3). Although participants did not show any obvious changes in physical function and did not have any discomfort ratings, the average carbon dioxide concentration inhaled was far higher than the limit of 0.1% of indoor carbon dioxide concentration in many countries. With prolonged mask wearing, untoward reactions may gradually appear. In another long-term study, after wearing an N95 mask for 12 hours the CO2 concentration of subjects increased to 41.0 mmHg, far higher than the baseline value of 32.4mm Hg at the beginning of the test (4). The subjects mainly reported headache, dizziness, feeling tired and communication obstacles. In real life, the situations and time of wearing masks are much longer than the above experimental research settings” (source).

3) Wearing a mask increases risk of headaches (source).

4) It also increases risk of brain fog, difficulty concentrating, and exhaustion, most likely due to insufficient oxygen and increased exposure to carbon dioxide.

5) Masks made overseas have been found to be faulty and inadequate. Nearly all of them contain known carcinogens. This is why there is a warning label on the carton. Breathing in carcinogens during the day and having them in contact with your skin may increase your risk of cancer.

6) Masks may increase your risk of infection, mostly because they are worn inappropriately, and also because mask-wearers fiddle with them, frequently touching their face. There is no scientific evidence that shows that cloth masks will help reduce the spread of COVID-19, according to Lisa Brousseau, ScD, and Margaret Sietsema, Ph.D. (source).

7) Wearing a mask concentrates the exhaled viruses in the nasal passages. Our bodies have several effective detoxifications pathways. One of the ways we rid ourselves of a viral infection is by exhaling. If you are sick with COVID-19 or any other viral infection, the last thing you want to do is impede your ability to breathe (source).

8) Wearing a mask causes problems for people with special needs. Deaf people who rely on lip reading, people with autism who have trouble understanding verbal cues and need visual cues to help them, and anyone who is hard of hearing suffer the most when people are wearing masks (source).

9) Wearing a mask can cause severe and painful contact dermatitis, painful rashes, and other skin damage on your face (source).
Russell Blaylock, M.D., a retired neurosurgeon, does not mince words about how wearing a mask can harm your health. Especially if worn for extended periods, while exercising, or in hot weather, face masks can be deadly.

“In essence, your mask may very well put you at an increased risk of infections, and if so, having a much worse outcome,” Blaylock writes (my emphasis.)

Paul Thomas, M.D., a Dartmouth-trained pediatrician with over 30 years of medical experience, agrees. Wearing a mask “promotes fear, which we know is bad for the immune system,” Thomas, who is also my colleague and co-author, says. “It reduces breathing in fresh air, which is also bad for the immune system, and it does little to nothing to prevent spread of a virus.”

https://jennifermargulis.net/wearing...m-your-health/
 
Old 08-18-2020, 11:52 AM
 
Location: Wisconsin
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SuperSoul - the kind of person that screams "Muh' freedoms!" and "Big brother is trying to control us!"
Then goes on to support their argument using a state sponsored television program (RT is Russia Today)

LoL
 
Old 08-18-2020, 03:11 PM
 
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SNfqiZmNO84


Right wing Conspiracy theorist Ben Swann does not understand how face masks work, misreads RCT studies and cherry picks information in a misleading way

__________________________________________________ ___________

https://leadstories.com/hoax-alert/2...-covid-19.html

Does current science say that face masks don't work to prevent the spread of the novel coronavirus that leads to COVID-19? No, this is not true. First, a video making the claim that masks -- from N95 to cloth ones -- don't work relies on dated studies. Second, while much debate does exist over face coverings reducing the spread of the virus, most scientists and medical officials -- including the U.S. surgeon general on July 20, 2020 -- say they are necessary to arrest the pandemic.

The 12:36-minute video from Truth In Media W/ Ben Swann was posted by the RT (formerly Russia Today) online network, which claims over 10 billion viewers on YouTube and has been flagged by YouTube as partially or fully funded by Russia.

The video actually conflicts with the quickly developing science surrounding a virus and disease that has killed more than 140,000 people in the U.S. and nearly 607,000 worldwide as of July 20. The video, for example, relies on studies "done over the past decade -- one in 2009, 2010, 2012, 2016, 2017, 2019, and yes, even this year in 2020." All of these were done prior to the spread of the current pandemic, and all focused in influenza or other viruses or diseases -- not the novel coronavirus. Or it cites studies that deal exclusively with healthcare workers using cloth versus surgical masks, not regular people out in public during a pandemic.

Simply put, Swann focuses on a few studies that indicate face masks are not only unnecessary but dangerous to wear during an outbreak. He neglects volumes of research suggesting just the opposite. And one study from 2015 that Swann cites as evidence against masks was updated March 30 to address the COVID-19 pandemic.

Consider the conclusions of this study from April 10, 2020, about a month after the World Health Organization declared a pandemic:

http://files.fast.ai/papers/masks_lit_review.pdf

Face Masks Against COVID-19: An Evidence
Review



Reducing disease spread requires two things: first, limit contacts of infected individuals via physical distancing and contact tracing with appropriate quarantine, and second, reduce the transmission probability per contact by wearing masks in public, among other measures. The preponderance of evidence indicates that mask wearing reduces the transmissibility per contact by reducing transmission of infected droplets in both laboratory and clinical contexts. Public mask wearing is most effective at stopping spread of the virus when compliance is high. The decreased transmissibility could substantially reduce the death toll and economic impact while the cost of the intervention is low. Thus we recommend the adoption of public cloth mask wearing, as an effective form of source control, in conjunction with existing hygiene, distancing, and contact tracing strategies. We recommend that public officials and governments strongly encourage the use of widespread face masks in public, including the use of appropriate regulation."

Nor did Swann's video take this study into account, which is summarized as finding:

https://www.nature.com/articles/s415...change-history

Published: 03 April 2020
Respiratory virus shedding in exhaled breath and efficacy of face masks

[IWe identified seasonal human coronaviruses, influenza viruses and rhinoviruses in exhaled breath and coughs of children and adults with acute respiratory illness. Surgical face masks significantly reduced detection of influenza virus RNA in respiratory droplets and coronavirus RNA in aerosols, with a trend toward reduced detection of coronavirus RNA in respiratory droplets. Our results indicate that surgical face masks could prevent transmission of human coronaviruses and influenza viruses from symptomatic individuals.[/i]

more at link


https://leadstories.com/hoax-alert/2...-covid-19.html

Last edited by jonbenson; 08-18-2020 at 03:37 PM..
 
Old 08-18-2020, 03:15 PM
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Originally Posted by Ted Bear View Post
The science is VERY clear.

Americans have chosen something else. Seems a bit selfish if you ask me, but that is what we have chosen.

The results are obvious: We will wrestle with this virus for years to come. Employment, social interactions, pressures on our health care system and economic activity will suffer. That is what we have chosen.

The numbers don't lie.

We could have done the right thing; put everyone in isolation, shut down our economy for a couple of months, and enforced mask wearing for everyone.

But we didn't. And so we pay. Old expression: Don't fool with mother nature. We perhaps should have listened.
More fake internet science.

If you actually paid attention to the science instead of social media and the internet, you would know that your proposal was the absolute worst case. When you shut down too hard, you have a 2nd wave worse than the first. Even that doomsday London School report that said 2 million would die said the worst result was too much of a shutdown.

What you propose would have killed far more than what we actually did.

Maybe an island could get away with it, especially a 3rd world island. But nobody else. It just makes things that much worse when you finally end the shutdown. You are proposing to fool with Mother Nature and think man can completely ignore Mother Nature.
 
Old 08-19-2020, 04:18 AM
 
Location: Free From The Oppressive State
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It's just a mask.

It's just two weeks.

It's just to keep from overwhelming the health care system.

It's just 'non-essential' businesses.

Its just until we 'flatten the curve'.

It's just until more cases go down.

Its just to keep others from being scared.

It's just a couple more weeks.

It's just a fine.

You can still meet.

It's just until we get a vaccine.

It's just a few side effects.

It's just to let others know you're safe to be around.

It's just an app.

It's just to let us know who you've been in contact with.

It's just a few more months.

It's just to protect others.

It's just a few people.

It's just a credit card company.

It's just Google ads.

You can use cash.

It's just a few places that don't accept cash.

It's just a test to see what happens.

It's just so you can travel.

It's just so you can get a driver's license.

It's just so you can vote.

It's just a statue.

It's just a building.

It's just a street name.

It's just a piece of paper.

It's just a flag.

It's just a piece of cloth.

It's just...

"for your safety", "you patriotic duty", "for the common good"...

It's just conditioning, no worries, nothing bigger will come of it.
 
Old 08-19-2020, 03:06 PM
 
Location: King County, WA
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I'm curious to see what impact the mask wearing and social distancing measures will have on the spread of influenza this winter.
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