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The Left are the Bullies, and control freaks. That's who is requiring team name changes, tearing down history, demanding and implementing economic crashing lock downs, calling all Americans Racist, Indoctrinating Kids, and removing whatever they don't like from society. It must be stopped, NOW.
Fascinating how some equate protecting public health with bullying, etc.
I really wish someone would/could explain this rationally without the rants.
From the OP to Ingraham to the rest.
All anyone should want is for people to not suffer and die.
Why is anything geared toward that effort looked on with such suspicion?
You and others claim that you don’t want further shutdowns and yet you refuse to do the simplest thing to reduce the risk of that happening again.
Why?
Don't bother trying to talk some sense into some folks.
THE LOCKDOWN HAS TURNED FEAR INTO A VIRTUE. Those who are afraid believe they're better people than those who aren't, and will subconsciously look for ways to multiply that fear, because it's their virtue.
What lockdown?
There was no lockdown in the US. People, including those who test positive, are free to leave their homes and go about their business. We have been free to travel.
Unlike some other countries, LE did not patrol the streets and apprehend people not authorized to be outside their home. No one needed permission to leave and buy groceries or much of anything else.
Despite the unemployment numbers, most employed people continued to be employed and compensated.
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I suggested that there are Trump supporters posting drivel in this thread. I did not suggest that they are the only conservatives posting drivel in this thread.
So, if one doesn't tow the party line on Covid he or she must be a conservative? No other option?
To this day there aren't any peer reviewed studies supporting mask wearing, especially homemade cloth masks that prevent one from getting Covid-19. There's a study (non peer reviewed) by Howard et al. that argues for effectiveness of masks.....except the study is not an actual study. The authors claim so with this little excerpt: Cochrane (7) and the
World Health Organization (8) both point out that for population health measures we should not generally expect to
be able to find controlled trials, due to logistical and ethical
reasons, and should therefore instead seek a wider evidence
base.
In other words, when we can't actually perform real science, this will do. It's amazing how standards are lowered across the board for Covid, and only Covid virus.
I don't have problem with science, I have problem with half-ass science.
Just another way for the weak minded to virtue signal they are Woke. Total Media hype. It's like the shoulder pad fad for women in the 80's except Feminized men also believe this crap.
Masks are common in many Asian countries, especially those countries with better outcomes.
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Fascinating how some equate protecting public health with bullying, etc.
I really wish someone would/could explain this rationally without the rants.
From the OP to Ingraham to the rest.
All anyone should want is for people to not suffer and die.
Why is anything geared toward that effort looked on with such suspicion?
You and others claim that you don’t want further shutdowns and yet you refuse to do the simplest thing to reduce the risk of that happening again.
Why?
Seriously, why?
Public health argument can be made for number of reasons. Would you like government to tell you who you can marry? Divorce puts a huge strain on the the health of others. How about how many kids you can have? Food you can eat? 20% of this country is obese. Towns and neighborhoods you can live in? Schools you can send your kids to? And so on and so on.
This has nothing to do with public health. Ton of Americans die and many more are hospitalized each year with serious long-term health consequences. Yet somehow we've decided the trade offs we make each year in order to have a free and open society don't apply to Covid.
Once we have a non-political, reasoned conversation about this tradeoff, then we can solve this problem. Until then, this is all smoke and mirrors.
So, if one doesn't tow the party line on Covid he or she must be a conservative? No other option?
To this day there aren't any peer reviewed studies supporting mask wearing, especially homemade cloth masks that prevent one from getting Covid-19. There's a study (non peer reviewed) by Howard et al. that argues for effectiveness of masks.....except the study is not an actual study. The authors claim so with this little excerpt: Cochrane (7) and the
World Health Organization (8) both point out that for population health measures we should not generally expect to
be able to find controlled trials, due to logistical and ethical
reasons, and should therefore instead seek a wider evidence
base.
In other words, when we can't actually perform real science, this will do. It's amazing how standards are lowered across the board for Covid, and only Covid virus.
I don't have problem with science, I have problem with half-ass science.
Peer-reviewed or no, countries with a higher incidence of mask-wearing have far fewer cases.
At some point, data that may be believable to you will be available.
In the meantime, that fact and the following are sufficient for me, particularly since wearing a mask is cheap, easy and non-invasive.
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Peer-reviewed or no, countries with a higher incidence of mask-wearing have far fewer cases.
At some point, data that may be believable to you will be available.
In the meantime, that fact and the following are sufficient for me, particularly since wearing a mask is cheap, easy and non-invasive.
Again, people such as yourself constantly tell us skeptics how we don't believe in "science". Yet, you're the ones propagating non-scientific evidence.
I think the bar for evidence should be set higher. And correlation (countries with a higher incidence of mask-wearing have far fewer cases as you claim) isn't necessarily causation.
And, I'm not against mask wearing. I'm against government mandate to do so. And again, if masks work, and you yourself are free to wear one, what does it matter what anyone else does?
Masks are common in many Asian countries, especially those countries with better outcomes.
Seems to me real men seek to protect others.
Children trend to think only about themselves.
My brother was stationed in Japan in the late 80s. He said even then that the sick wore masks and quarantined themselves. We are such a stupid country.
Don't bother trying to talk some sense into some folks.
THE LOCKDOWN HAS TURNED FEAR INTO A VIRTUE. Those who are afraid believe they're better people than those who aren't, and will subconsciously look for ways to multiply that fear, because it's their virtue.
The absolute truth! Being liberals they love mind control and instilling fear into people. They are polarizing our country and our economy over a low risk of death virus.
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