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Old 07-19-2020, 06:47 PM
 
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Well I figured it was just a matter of time until this government turned to grabbing people off the street as a terror tactic. Now it looks like it has begun... in Portand.

Federal Officers Use Unmarked Vehicles To Grab Protesters Off Portland Streets

So much for the Constitution. Looks like I'll have to be extra careful on my walks now.
You see the Trumpists yammering on about the importance of the 2cd amendment. The 1st and the 4th are the true cornerstones of freedom, and with this action we can see exactly what Trump thinks about them.
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Old 07-19-2020, 07:01 PM
 
Location: NY
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Navy vet who went down to talk to them about breaking their oath gets beaten for just standing there. Broke his hand.
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/w...-a9627466.html
Notnamed, this is becoming a tactic, so forgive me if I am skeptical. A snippet of video, decontextualized, and then an article where they don't solicit a statement from the other side. Had this gathering already been declared a riot when this man was just 'standing there?' You are not just 'standing there' in a riot--you are part of the riot, even if you are standing there. Once something is a riot, everyone there is a rioter. This is a very important distinction. He said this in the article:

"Mr David admitted there were protesters showing more aggressive behaviour during Saturday night’s protest, including breaking down fences outside the courthouse and placing them up against the front doors."

So it sounds like it was a riot, and the rioters were actually attacking the courthouse (a federal building) by placing fences up against the door. To do what? Trap the agents in the courthouse? And then what? Set it on fire? Launch more small explosives in there like a few weeks ago? Should the agents let themselves be trapped in so they can find out?

So it very well may have already been declared a riot and this guy didn't disperse. But since the so-called journalist didn't ask him this, or solicit any statements from the other side, we can't gather that information from that article.
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Old 07-19-2020, 07:09 PM
 
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An invention of the alt-right. There are some independent rabble rousers, and I despise those. Antifa is not an organization. There are a few people who feel they need to be rioters. They are criminals, with or without the label.

But boy, does the idea of them trigger the alt-right!
Actually they trigger the average rational thinking American.
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Old 07-19-2020, 07:22 PM
 
Location: NYC
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Not sure what you're complaining about, I admire their restraint in not shooting them all
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So they are grabbing terrorists off the street and I'm supposed to think that's a bad thing?
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Isn't the DHS allowed to protect us from domestic terrorism ? That is what they are doing since the politicians won't allow the police to do their jobs.
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Yeah i dont really care. Portland is essentially a communist outpost at this point. You can't call yourself a sanctuary city and then be mad when someone else doesnt follow the rules.
Make no mistake, many on the right would prefer an authoritarian government, as long as their party is in charge.
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Old 07-19-2020, 07:27 PM
 
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Notnamed, this is becoming a tactic, so forgive me if I am skeptical. A snippet of video, decontextualized, and then an article where they don't solicit a statement from the other side. Had this gathering already been declared a riot when this man was just 'standing there?' You are not just 'standing there' in a riot--you are part of the riot, even if you are standing there. Once something is a riot, everyone there is a rioter. This is a very important distinction. He said this in the article:

"Mr David admitted there were protesters showing more aggressive behaviour during Saturday night’s protest, including breaking down fences outside the courthouse and placing them up against the front doors."

So it sounds like it was a riot, and the rioters were actually attacking the courthouse (a federal building) by placing fences up against the door. To do what? Trap the agents in the courthouse? And then what? Set it on fire? Launch more small explosives in there like a few weeks ago? Should the agents let themselves be trapped in so they can find out?

So it very well may have already been declared a riot and this guy didn't disperse. But since the so-called journalist didn't ask him this, or solicit any statements from the other side, we can't gather that information from that article.
Specific locations/groups are declared riots. They are not advancing in a clearing action in that vid. He is literally just standing there. There is no excusing that in my mind.

The others taking action violent against the justice center? Have at them.

Peaceful protesters, medics, reporters? Hands off.
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Old 07-19-2020, 07:30 PM
 
Location: New York City
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Make no mistake, many on the right would prefer an authoritarian government, as long as their party is in charge.
No, we need a government that enforces the laws. Riots need to be put down, with violence where necessary. That applies to rioters from any side
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Old 07-19-2020, 07:47 PM
 
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Nice night for a bonfire....
https://youtu.be/kf9M7aZ-33s
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Old 07-19-2020, 07:57 PM
 
Location: Wisconsin
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Well I figured it was just a matter of time until this government turned to grabbing people off the street as a terror tactic. Now it looks like it has begun... in Portand.

Federal Officers Use Unmarked Vehicles To Grab Protesters Off Portland Streets


So much for the Constitution. Looks like I'll have to be extra careful on my walks now.
How does the author know these are law enforcement officers doing this?

How does the author know that the LEO are violating the Rights of the people they supposedly take off the streets?

This looks like the author is making assumptions and jumping to conclusions.

Really now, Portland has been the scene of lawless looting, riots, arson and assaults, week after week after week, and we are supposed to be outraged over the possibility, the rumor that law enforcement might be apprehending the rioters?

Were we not supposed to be concerned about two months of continuous riots??
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Old 07-19-2020, 07:58 PM
 
Location: Ridgefield, WA
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The protesting last night was incredibly peaceful. So much peace.

Tonight should be another great love-in!
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Old 07-19-2020, 11:38 PM
 
Location: NYC
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No, we need a government that enforces the laws. Riots need to be put down, with violence where necessary. That applies to rioters from any side
you don't enforce laws by breaking them.
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