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Old 06-15-2022, 06:29 AM
 
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At least he's consistent, guess the checks keep coming.
He's consistently wrong- must be a democrat.

 
Old 06-15-2022, 07:43 AM
 
Location: West Coast of Europe
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hmm, kinda like socialism is a good idea for America. gotcha
You didn't get the point of that study, which by the way was done by Denmark, not China or me.

Apart from that, you are confusing categories... The study is about democracy, not socialism.
 
Old 06-15-2022, 07:46 AM
 
Location: Florida
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I know, being against China is the standard these days. But not in my case. The more I investigate and read about the accusations against China, the more I notice that 95% of it is just one big staged smear campaign.

It doesn't matter who gets elected in November, Biden is a criminal just like Trump.

Take the Uighur accusations for instance. According to Reuters, that started the media campaign, China holds a million Uighurs in concentration camps, quoting the UN. From there the claim was repeated ad nausea by the NYT, WP, etc., like parrots.

However, the UN has not claimed anything like that. In fact, only a single woman named Gay McDougall, who is anything but an expert on China, made such claims in her role as the only American on the Committee on the Elimination of Racial Discrimination, which is separate from the UN, though. She has not provided any evidence to back up her claim, just mentioned "credible reports".

Those came for instance from the Network of Chinese Human Rights Defenders (CHRD), an anti-Beijing organization based in Washington, that receives hundreds of thousands of dollars from Washington's regime-change body National Endowment for Democracy (NED), basically an imperialist terrorist organization acting under the pretext of spreading democracy. The CHRD is registered at the same address as Human Rights Watch, an organization known for its proximity to US politicians.

Leading members of CHRD are Su Xiaokang, Teng Biao, Perry Link, Renee Xia (the founder). They are hard-core anti-Chinese radicals/dissidents that support people like Liu Xiaobo, another radical that makes racist comments against the Chinese, supports colonialism and wars.

Another source of those Uighur accusations are stories by Radio Free Asia, an American propaganda station.

Yet another source are the World Uighur Congress and the International Uyghur Human Rights and Democracy Foundation, both organizations are funded by the aforementioned National Endowment for Democracy, that tries to topple governments Washington doesn't like.


Finally, there is a weird German guy called Adrian Zenz, who emigrated to the US. He is a radical evangelist Christian who goes around claiming god chose him to fight China. Zenz came up with the absurd figure of a million incarcerated Uighurs and his fabrications have been the foundation for anti-Chinese US laws.


https://thegrayzone.com/2018/08/23/u...ighur-muslims/






The same happens when one investigates the corona accusations, the HK accusations, the Huawei accusations, etc. People should not just read headlines and swallow what they see on TV, but investigate.

I am convinced that, while not perfect of course, China is actually a much more decent, benevolent country than the US. And most of what China does is merely to defend itself.
So in other words you support Communism.
 
Old 06-15-2022, 07:49 AM
 
Location: West Coast of Europe
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Yes, it's truly amazing how a one party country with repressive controls and media censorship is better perceived than countries with multi-party systems.

Really, this is why your posts are a joke here and show just how out of touch those posts are.

Xi's current approval ratings are certainly lower than Mao's were. LMAO...let that sink in.

They actually explain in the video why that is. But you probably didn't watch and/or understand it, so you post that simplistic nonsense...

I live in Europe and we have the same things you list there, i.e. repressive controls, media censorship and a party system where it doesn't matter anymore which party governs because they are all the same. I.e. you have a fake multi-party system, just like in the US of course.

I just read an interesting new article on how British censorship and propaganda works:
https://thegrayzone.com/2022/06/13/p...ligence-agent/

In reality it is you that is totally out of touch when you really think you have free media.

Xi's approval ratings are certainly way higher than Biden's, like 2 or 3 times higher.
 
Old 06-15-2022, 07:51 AM
 
Location: West Coast of Europe
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So in other words you support Communism.

I don't care about such ideological systems anymore, I am in favor of anything that yields good results. That is also how China does it, some of their characteristics are socialist or communist, in other ways they are back to their good old trade and business focus of the middle ages. Whatever works, the Chinese are practical people that are interested in results.
 
Old 06-15-2022, 08:08 AM
 
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The gloss and allure of China will wear off once the CCP has to chomp down on both the fall of Evergrande (which is going to be their version of our 2008 thing) and the soon to be realized unsustainability of their rail network, which is already causing pain less than 15 years in. Add in the fact that folks are waking up to the Ponzi scheme of their Belt and Road Initiative, and yeah...China is headed for a bit of a slow down methinks.

This crazy expansion of China into the global darling of economic power is almost entirely fueled by exponentially increasing debt. BRI uses foreign investment, most of whom have spent the last 5-7 years wising up to being scammed, and their own infrastructure that everyone crows about is 100% about massive debt and corruption.

They are heading into a giant world of economic hurt, and all the US/EU have to do to win is sit back and watch. Not saying the US and EU are any freaking better, just saying it's China's turn.

That tab ALWAYS comes due at the end of the dinner.
 
Old 06-15-2022, 08:17 AM
 
Location: NE Mississippi
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China is doomed.
Peter Zeihan, author of The Accidental Superpower, has said he would not be surprised to see China lose 1/2 its population by 2060.
Today, the US Fed will take steps to create a recession in order to halt inflation. That step is thought to be necessary. When China's largest customers stop buying, Chine will simply cease to function as a country.


Every US recession has been exported to the rest of the world. This recession may be particularly brutal.
 
Old 06-15-2022, 08:23 AM
 
Location: West Coast of Europe
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The gloss and allure of China will wear off once the CCP has to chomp down on both the fall of Evergrande (which is going to be their version of our 2008 thing) and the soon to be realized unsustainability of their rail network, which is already causing pain less than 15 years in. Add in the fact that folks are waking up to the Ponzi scheme of their Belt and Road Initiative, and yeah...China is headed for a bit of a slow down methinks.

This crazy expansion of China into the global darling of economic power is almost entirely fueled by exponentially increasing debt. BRI uses foreign investment, most of whom have spent the last 5-7 years wising up to being scammed, and their own infrastructure that everyone crows about is 100% about massive debt and corruption.

They are heading into a giant world of economic hurt, and all the US/EU have to do to win is sit back and watch. Not saying the US and EU are any freaking better, just saying it's China's turn.

That tab ALWAYS comes due at the end of the dinner.


Evergrande is not too big to fail, the government clearly said that, indicating it will not rescue the company. Some actually say the government will let it go bankrupt as a lesson on bad private corporate leadership.

The rail network is functioning. Rail is not profitable anywhere. Same here in Europe, railroads are not intended to make profits, but to move people, lots of them.
When the pandemic is really over, more people will travel around again, i.e. more ticket sales, hence more revenue.

Most BRI projects are fine. Of course occasionally there are projects that fail. So what? It is no different with Western projects.

China will do fine, they have competent leadership, unlike my continent, Europe.
 
Old 06-15-2022, 08:27 AM
 
Location: West Coast of Europe
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China is doomed.
Peter Zeihan, author of The Accidental Superpower, has said he would not be surprised to see China lose 1/2 its population by 2060.
Today, the US Fed will take steps to create a recession in order to halt inflation. That step is thought to be necessary. When China's largest customers stop buying, Chine will simply cease to function as a country.


Every US recession has been exported to the rest of the world. This recession may be particularly brutal.

China is not that dependent on exports anymore. Exports only account for 18% of GDP, and the US is only the third biggest export market, after ASEAN and the EU.

China has been busy decoupling for years now.

Growth will go down a bit, has been for quite some time now as the country is switching towards sustainable, quality development.
 
Old 06-15-2022, 08:27 AM
 
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I don't care about such ideological systems anymore, I am in favor of anything that yields good results. That is also how China does it, some of their characteristics are socialist or communist, in other ways they are back to their good old trade and business focus of the middle ages. Whatever works, the Chinese are practical people that are interested in results.
Move to China then.
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