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Old 08-01-2020, 09:02 AM
 
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Trump is the most corrupt president in modern times. He is full of self dealing and has turned the executive branch into a personal field to be plowed.
  • Trump had special tax loopholes written into the tax code especially for the types of real estate ventures he and Kushner engage in.
  • The white house is for sale, as has been pointed out earlier in the thread Trump has a special relationship with the lobbyists for special interests. To add insult to injury he had made a special executive order to forbid white house personnel from becoming lobbyists and vice versa (they made a big public pronouncement at the signing), but then he granted everyone in the white house waivers. It was all for show, a particularly swampy maneuver intended to deceive his base.
  • Trump has obstructed legitimate investigations into wrongdoing and protected people who have been convicted or indicted. All to ultimately protect himself from scrutiny.

Yes, Trump is the swamp, he is less ethical and less honest than any president before him, and his claim to 'drain' the swamp was ludicrous. Anyone who asserts otherwise is just being dishonest with us in an attempt to protect Trump's already sullied reputation. It won't work, the man is a well known rat.
The term Drain the Swamp was not even something Trump came up with.
It was given to him by the same think tanks that support the swamp and come up with memes for their puppet residents.

Trump is not his own man, he is owned by the swamp.
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Old 08-01-2020, 11:10 AM
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Location: Where my bills arrive
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"Has Trump drained the swamp? "

He has converted it to a bottomless cesspool and set the bar to a new all time low....
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Old 08-01-2020, 01:41 PM
 
Location: Oklahoma
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The term Drain the Swamp was not even something Trump came up with.
I think "Prime the Pump" was the phrase that Trump invented.
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Old 08-01-2020, 02:51 PM
 
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Impossible task, so nope.
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Old 08-01-2020, 05:12 PM
 
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Impossible task, so nope.
Not impossible, but very difficult for anyone without morals and a conscience and a will to do the right thing.

So for Trump it would be a bridge too far, even assuming his promise was serious.

As it is, Trump thrives in corrupt environments, his notorious lawyer years ago was Roy Cohn, a mob mouthpiece, and he was on a first name basis with some of New York's most notorious mob bosses like Tony Salerno and John Gotti. In contemporary times Trump has actively worked to foil Ukraine's efforts to reform itself, literally taking advantage of their weakened and vulnerable position as victims of Putin's aggression by corrupting them with extortion. Trump is the slimeball extraordinaire. He can smell his victims in the dark. He's a snake.

Whether it is business partners, customers, vendors, women in general or the US government Trump exploits ... that's what he does.
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Old 08-01-2020, 05:32 PM
 
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No but I think it is silly to think he could do that in 4 years.
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Old 08-01-2020, 06:24 PM
 
Location: moved
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How about I point you in the right direction? If you are serious about wanting to know how the world really runs, this is the most objective, least biased vid I know on the topic. It's long, perhaps break it down into a few segments. You'll learn a lot. Everything you need to know is in this vid. It's too complex of a topic to give you a one paragraph reply. It was done a few years ago by Damon Vrabel. It's very "classroom" style. He starts with a history lessor on money but stick with it as it's all important.
The narrator advocates for States’ Rights, hates the Fed, and deplores Wall Street. He especially hates the US dollar as a “debt instrument”, courtesy of – you guessed it – the Fed. He hates (and spectacularly misunderstands) exponential growth. But most of all, he hates the Council on Foreign Relations.

In other words, this "lesson" very succinctly encapsulates anarcho-agrarian/neo-Jeffersonian contempt for modernity. The 20th century, in this view, was a giant blunder - or in more sinister and insidious terms, a giant power grab. Right?
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Old 08-01-2020, 09:35 PM
 
Location: Jacksonville, FL
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I never saw the ida of draining the swamp as realistic. No president could clear the corruption in D.C., it’s too ingrained. The only way the swamp could be drained would be for Americans to stop allowing what should be a temporary position to become a career. There are people in Washington who have been there longer than most people stay in the same job field, much less the same company. If there were term limits on Senators and Representatives, or if Americans would stop voting the same power hungry jerks into power over and over again, the swamp would drain quickly.
I’ve never seen the logic in trusting someone who would actually want to be in the same government position for a lifetime. The only motivations for anyone to remain in a career which involves being hated by half of the country for more than six to eight years are greed or narcissism, neither of which are ideal qualities in the people who are supposed to be our best and brightest.
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Old 08-02-2020, 03:07 AM
 
Location: Eugene, Oregon
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Not impossible, but very difficult for anyone without morals and a conscience and a will to do the right thing.

So for Trump it would be a bridge too far, even assuming his promise was serious.

As it is, Trump thrives in corrupt environments, his notorious lawyer years ago was Roy Cohn, a mob mouthpiece, and he was on a first name basis with some of New York's most notorious mob bosses like Tony Salerno and John Gotti. In contemporary times Trump has actively worked to foil Ukraine's efforts to reform itself, literally taking advantage of their weakened and vulnerable position as victims of Putin's aggression by corrupting them with extortion. Trump is the slimeball extraordinaire. He can smell his victims in the dark. He's a snake.

Whether it is business partners, customers, vendors, women in general or the US government Trump exploits ... that's what he does.
But yet, this is exactly the kind of person that Trump supporters hold in high esteem. This says quite a bit about them and even after their hero is long gone, we will still have to deal with them.
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Old 08-02-2020, 04:14 AM
 
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He's turned the swamp into a cesspool.
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