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Old 08-04-2020, 12:48 PM
 
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There is absolutely nothing there to dispute. Like if we accused Biden of being Satan. It would be nothing more than butt-spew and obviously false on its face. Sad you don't get it.
Yes there is. There is a reason you said it was "butt spew". Back it up with some facts. The OP at least was able to come up with something back his point up. You haven't. If it's "butt spew", stand your ground and back it up with some facts. Prove the OP wrong. If you call it "butt spew", you think the OP is wrong. Prove the OP wrong.

 
Old 08-04-2020, 12:48 PM
 
Location: Brackenwood
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If this had some substance to it you think it would be all over the networks. Instead the only place to find this "tape" is in a 7-month-old article behind a Guardian firewall.
 
Old 08-04-2020, 01:36 PM
 
Location: Berwick, Penna.
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The Constitution says you are wrong.

https://constitutioncenter.org/inter...t/amendment-xv

"The right of citizens of the United States to vote shall not be denied or abridged by the United States or by any State on account of race, color, or previous condition of servitude."

The Constitution refers to it as a right, not a privilege.

The Founding Fathers were wrong for limiting voting to White male property owners. Everyone has skin in the game. They were not the only ones with something to gain or lose. Slaves certainly didn't like being slaves.
And that particular part of the Constitution (the Fifteenth Amendment) was not adopted until 1869 -- eighty-two years after the original ratification -- because it was not until that time that the American Experiment had matured and succeeded to the point where the electorate could be expanded.

I should add at this point that the Reconstruction Amendments were adopted partially in a spirit of vindictiveness against the defeated South, but the continuing maturity of our society eventually rendered that point moot, and the more-positive substance of those Amendments remained.

This serves to illustrate that while the less-noble parts of the Constitution, such as the notorious "3/5 compromise" (slaves counted as 3/5 of a person for representation, but not for voting) were adopted in earlier times for reasons of expediency (or even survival of the republic), the free exchange of human opinion often serves to correct the mistakes.
 
Old 08-04-2020, 02:02 PM
 
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And that particular part of the Constitution (the Fifteenth Amendment) was not adopted until 1869 -- eighty-two years after the original ratification -- because it was not until that time that the American Experiment had matured and succeeded to the point where the electorate could be expanded.

I should add at this point that the Reconstruction Amendments were adopted partially in a spirit of vindictiveness against the defeated South, but the continuing maturity of our society eventually rendered that point moot, and the more-positive substance of those Amendments remained.

This serves to illustrate that while the less-noble parts of the Constitution, such as the notorious "3/5 compromise" (slaves counted as 3/5 of a person for representation, but not for voting) were adopted in earlier times for reasons of expediency (or even survival of the republic), the free exchange of human opinion often serves to correct the mistakes.
It is still in the Constitution, period. You said it was a privilege. The Constitution, as it stands, says otherwise.
 
Old 08-04-2020, 02:12 PM
 
Location: NE Mississippi
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The Republican party has a long history of attempting to suppress the vote in order to win...................... And it's the only way they can win anymore.
Well, that and the fact that the GOP is getting more votes as time goes along.
Republican Votes:
2008 - 59.9M votes
2012 - 60.9M votes
2016 - 65.8M votes
 
Old 08-04-2020, 02:16 PM
 
Location: Prepperland
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If voting really changed anything, it would have been outlawed years ago.
Since 1933, we've been the Peoples Democratic Socialist Republic and nothing is going to change that.
 
Old 08-04-2020, 02:19 PM
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The republican presidential candidate won the popular vote once in the last 20 years by GW, HW was the last winner in 1988. If not for Trump and Clinton they would have lost yet another election.

The last 10 years the focus has been on voter suppression to win elections rather than changing their message. It sure doesn't look promising for this years election at any level.
Carter, with 50.08% of the vote, Obama 2 times and LBJ in 64 are the only Democrats to get 50% of the vote since FDR. Truman never did. JFK never did (despite massive fraud in Illinois, Texas and other places). Clinton never did. And Stevenson, Humphrey, McGovern, etc. obviously did not.
 
Old 08-04-2020, 02:24 PM
 
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Democrats have a long history of voter fraud and trying to outright steal elections.
CAll True the Vote ASAP.

They have been looking for voter fraud for years.
 
Old 08-04-2020, 02:24 PM
 
Location: Silicon Valley, CA
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Yes - the vote for those deceased, the vote for those voting more than one time, and the vote for those in the country illegally should be suppressed.

Mail in voting is a joke and an invitation for fraud. Go to a polling place and vote. If you care, you will get it done.
Wrong. Oregon has been doing that for years, and they've documented 14 cases in 15 million ballots cast.

Most cases of fraud involves campaigns rather than voters, like the GOP in a 2018 congressional election in North Carolina that got invalidated.
 
Old 08-04-2020, 02:26 PM
 
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Republicans use Gerrymandering far in excess of the democrats, North Carolina, Texas, Wisconsin, Pennsylvania. The democrats had one district in Maryland.

All in favor truly independent commissions, some states have done so.
Something...something...pants on fire....

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Illino...ince_2013).tif

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Illino...ince_2013).tif

lmao...only one district in MD....lol.

P.S. I oppose all gerrrymandering, but how can we have a conversation about it when people can't even admit that *gasp* their side does it too?
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