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Old 08-13-2020, 11:03 AM
 
Location: NC
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https://www.businessinsider.com/trum...-voting-2020-8

There are many, many, sources on this, so if you don't like this one, just 'google' Trump USPS. These are his words, quoted. Not some media spin.

The facts include that Zero tax dollars used. The Postal Service receives NO tax dollars for operating expenses and relies on the sale of postage, products and services to fund its operations. So let's just put that propaganda lie to the side.
https://facts.usps.com/top-facts/

Whether you are for or against the legal right to mail-in voting. Whether you believe the unsubstantiated lied that voting fraud is going to happen if we don't abolish this right. Can we all agree that his admitted goal of restricting voting rights is not aligned with American values or the values of our founding fathers?

For those that support Trump, what is your justification for him abolishing a HUGELY successful part of our government, just so he can restrict votes to win an election.

And for those who wish to answer another question, what is a reasonable justification for him appointing a Postmaster who is heavily invested in the competition of the organization he is supposed to lead? How is that not a conflict of interst?

Please keep your response civil. You can have strong opinions without calling names. If you think I'm wrong in what I said, let's here a decent explanation of why (not just "lefties" or "socialism"). The USPS is a vital service to Americans, it does not cost our tax-payers, and it is being used to suppress voting. How am I wrong, or how is that OK.

respectful disagreement to the front of the line...
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Old 08-13-2020, 11:07 AM
 
Location: Georgia
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And the democrats are trying to use mail in voting to commit fraud. Trump is doing what's best for America and Americans. If you can go shop, go to church, go out and do ANYTHING then you can go vote IN PERSON.
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Old 08-13-2020, 11:09 AM
 
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And the democrats are trying to use mail in voting to commit fraud. Trump is doing what's best for America and Americans. If you can go shop, go to church, go out and do ANYTHING then you can go vote IN PERSON.
Absolutely true.
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Old 08-13-2020, 11:12 AM
 
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It's not as if the Postal Service is laid down as a Federal responsibility in the Constitution or anything.
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Old 08-13-2020, 11:14 AM
 
Location: NC
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And the democrats are trying to use mail in voting to commit fraud. Trump is doing what's best for America and Americans. If you can go shop, go to church, go out and do ANYTHING then you can go vote IN PERSON.
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Absolutely true.
Well, history has said otherwise, and there is no proof. In fact all facts lead to the contrary, so can you point me to your source?

If you do any research, you would see how impossible widespread fraud by mail would be.

I gave a quote from the POTUS saying he is trying to defund the USPS specifically to suppress votes. That is PROOF.

Where are your quotes that D's are trying to use mail-in voting for fraud. Where is your proof that it's ever happened on any scale? Where is your proof that it's even possible?

Trump and R's are also shutting down polling stations that don't favor them (FACT)
R's have been caught gerrymandering "with laser precision" (FACT)
More modern cases of voter fraud have been committed by R's than D's (FACT)

Trump himself uses mail-in voting (FACT)
I recieved a brochure (by USPS, LMAO) yesteday with him touting absentee voting (a form of mail in voting).


Where's your proof? Not your accusations, PROOF.
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Old 08-13-2020, 11:16 AM
 
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Originally Posted by Myghost View Post
https://www.businessinsider.com/trum...-voting-2020-8

There are many, many, sources on this, so if you don't like this one, just 'google' Trump USPS. These are his words, quoted. Not some media spin.

The facts include that Zero tax dollars used. The Postal Service receives NO tax dollars for operating expenses and relies on the sale of postage, products and services to fund its operations. So let's just put that propaganda lie to the side.
https://facts.usps.com/top-facts/

Whether you are for or against the legal right to mail-in voting. Whether you believe the unsubstantiated lied that voting fraud is going to happen if we don't abolish this right. Can we all agree that his admitted goal of restricting voting rights is not aligned with American values or the values of our founding fathers?

For those that support Trump, what is your justification for him abolishing a HUGELY successful part of our government, just so he can restrict votes to win an election.

And for those who wish to answer another question, what is a reasonable justification for him appointing a Postmaster who is heavily invested in the competition of the organization he is supposed to lead? How is that not a conflict of interst?

Please keep your response civil. You can have strong opinions without calling names. If you think I'm wrong in what I said, let's here a decent explanation of why (not just "lefties" or "socialism"). The USPS is a vital service to Americans, it does not cost our tax-payers, and it is being used to suppress voting. How am I wrong, or how is that OK.

respectful disagreement to the front of the line...
Can you provide the source with Trump words in quote or is your headline just bogus trolling like so many others ?

So you understand clearly, that's Trump's words in quote !!! Support your thread and get on that OK !!!
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Old 08-13-2020, 11:16 AM
 
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Trump is doing what's best for America and Americans.
And that, my friend, is what the backers of every tinpot dictator since forever has been saying - sure, he's breaking the law, but its in the higher service of the nation. Can't have the people making the wrong decision.

You're dismantling every ideal and principle you once could lay claim to.
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Old 08-13-2020, 11:18 AM
 
Location: Prepperland
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Voting is not an endowed right, but a government privilege.
In the beginning, each state determined who could exercise the privilege.
Furthermore, before 1820s, a citizen / voter had to be a property owner, tax payer, militiaman, and held to a higher standard of behavior.
Rolling back the rules to 1800 might be "fun" to watch, when all those recipients can no longer vote for the candidate that will bribe them the most.
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Old 08-13-2020, 11:25 AM
 
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Oh and I never said I believed in the constitution or anything else. Trump is doing what's best for America and Americans, I can see it and that doesn't mean its gotta be within the constitution...
Your own words condemn you far worse than anything I can type.
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Old 08-13-2020, 11:26 AM
 
Location: Georgia
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Your own words condemn you far worse than anything I can type.
That's fine. I freely and openly admit its time for a new constitution or even more than that a completely different kind of political system. The one we have DOES NOT WORK.
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