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View Poll Results: Vote For The Outcome Of The Murder Trial Of Kyle Rittenhouse
Guilty - Kyle Rittenhouse murdered those young protesters 72 19.78%
Not Guilty - Kyle Rittenhouse acted in self-defense 292 80.22%
Voters: 364. You may not vote on this poll

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Old 11-06-2021, 07:06 PM
 
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So a “child” brings a rifle to the riot means it’s a green light for 3 grown men to attack him?

What are you trying to say?
No, they mean because a guy with republican ties shot....well the rest doesn't matter....GUILTY!

 
Old 11-06-2021, 07:21 PM
 
Location: Gods country
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It’s true. Look at the way he handled his rifle

-Rifle slinged with muzzle down at ready position unless he’s shooting
-Finger along the trigger guard and not INSIDE the trigger guard. This is a common mistake with inexperienced shooter. KR doesn’t have this problem
-When he approached the cops at the end, he had his hands up in the air and rifle sling freely
-Target/threat recognition is on point. He shot people that deserved to get shot. No spray and pray during heat of the battle
What I was most impressed with was how calm he was under pressure. Like you pointed out the people who proved to be a threat were taken out. No one who didn’t deserve to get shot was shot. He did a great job too with rife retention.
Overall he gets an A+ from me!
 
Old 11-06-2021, 07:31 PM
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In criminal law the defense doesn’t have to prove anything to the jury. That burden falls to the District Attorney.
That's the law, but that's not how it works in reality.

The defense has to show their side, that the accused didn't commit the crime. Not how it's supposed to work, but that's how it actually works in reality.
 
Old 11-06-2021, 07:39 PM
 
Location: Cali
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That's the law, but that's not how it works in reality.

The defense has to show their side, that the accused didn't commit the crime. Not how it's supposed to work, but that's how it actually works.
The defendant doesn’t have to show or prove anything if they don’t want to. It is up to them if they want to prove their innocent,, but it is not required. Hence the old saying “innocent until proven guilty”

But DA (or the state) has to prove to the jury that the defendant is guilty beyond a reasonable doubt to get a conviction. It’s a requirement.
 
Old 11-06-2021, 07:41 PM
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The defendant doesn’t have to show or prove anything if they don’t want to. It is up to them if they want to prove their innocent,, but it is not required. Hence the old saying “innocent until proven guilty”

But DA (or the state) has to prove to the jury that the defendant is guilty beyond a reasonable doubt to get a conviction. It’s a requirement.
I know that's how the law is written. And I know the judge instructs the jury in this way.

But as a matter of practice, if the defendant doesn't prove himself innocent, the jury finds him guilty.
 
Old 11-06-2021, 07:56 PM
 
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I know that's how the law is written. And I know the judge instructs the jury in this way.

But as a matter of practice, if the defendant doesn't prove himself innocent, the jury finds him guilty.
That’s not what I’ve seen working in the court system as a court deputy for LASD.

I’ve seen many defendants showing up to court and didn’t say a word to “prove” their innocent. Their charges still get dismissed on legal or technical ground.
 
Old 11-06-2021, 08:13 PM
 
Location: Gods country
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That's the law, but that's not how it works in reality.

The defense has to show their side, that the accused didn't commit the crime. Not how it's supposed to work, but that's how it actually works in reality.
No Clara, that’s not how it works in reality. I’m a retired Court Officer Sergeant and for 32 years I sat through thousands of felony hearings and hundreds of felony trials. The judge and both attorneys carefully question and indoctrinate jurors to get them to follow the law. If there is any hint that a juror will not follow the law that juror is excused. All 12 jurors must agree on the verdict. This was in New York and the lawyers there for the most part are very good. The law says that the burden of proof falls on the prosecution and they must prove the defendant guilty beyond a reasonable doubt and the defendant can if they choose remain mute throughout the whole trial.
 
Old 11-06-2021, 08:18 PM
 
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I know that's how the law is written. And I know the judge instructs the jury in this way.

But as a matter of practice, if the defendant doesn't prove himself innocent, the jury finds him guilty.
The defendant has no burden whatsoever to prove himself innocent in our system of justice. The burden to prove a defendant guilty lays solely with the prosecution
 
Old 11-06-2021, 08:20 PM
 
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That’s not what I’ve seen working in the court system as a court deputy for LASD.

I’ve seen many defendants showing up to court and didn’t say a word to “prove” their innocent. Their charges still get dismissed on legal or technical ground.
Dang, you get around my Brother!
Can’t rep you again the system won’t let me.
 
Old 11-06-2021, 08:22 PM
 
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There seems to be zero grounds for murder against Kyle Rittenhouse.

The prosecution itself already had 2 of their own witnesses say that Kyle (1) acted in self-defense and (2) was not aggressive/was trying to deescalate situations.

Did the government just charge him with murder to placate the leftist mobs that would riot and commit insurrection otherwise? The trial is in cold months as well so when they know he gets off on the murder charge that will also reduce rioters.

Meanwhile the judge blasted the media including CNN twice for false or misleading statements. But now the propaganda media doesn't seem interested in the trial now that prosecution witnesses are literally saying Kyle Rittenhouse acted in self-defense.

You're talking about a government afraid of riots immediately made me think of Trump sending in troops against the wishes of the state. And all his threats. And I have a hunch that you yourself have not been a fan of CNN.

As far as I know, Kye shot an unarmed man. And he also went there looking for trouble.
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