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Old 08-29-2020, 01:38 PM
 
Location: the very edge of the continent
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How so?
Biden's proposed universal (indoors and outdoors) mask mandate is unconstitutional. Even local and state governments know that and "recommend" masks be worn but cannot require it. Privately-owned businesses can require masks be worn on their premises just like they can require a dress code (think fine dining establishments) for service.

Biden's pledge to nominate a Black woman to SCOTUS is unconstitutional race and sex discrimination.

As for Biden's pledge to expand federal taxpayer-funded health care and education, both are unconstitutional and shouldn't even exist to begin with since they're not a Constitutionally enumerated power of the Fed Gov (they're both powers of each state). Reference the Constitution's Article 1 Section 8 and the 10th Amendment.

There are many more. Start researching.
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Old 08-29-2020, 02:33 PM
 
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Biden's proposed universal (indoors and outdoors) mask mandate is unconstitutional. Start researching.
That is what they said about the right to vote for women. Nice try.
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Old 08-29-2020, 02:41 PM
 
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Money is not always the most important thing in life, you know. It's important that this country should live by the rights, liberties and responsibilities of the Constitution. The Constitution might as well be a shreaded-up piece of old paper if trump is re-elected.

You've got to be kidding. What Constitutional right has Trump taken from you? On the other hand, the Democratic party has completed destroyed the 1st Amendment with their rampant intolerance.
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Old 08-29-2020, 02:42 PM
 
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Not even Madison, Hamilton and Washington who were at the Constitutional Convention agreed on what it meant once they got into power. The debate on enumerated powers goes back to the founding of the republic. During their campaign against each other (the only time two future presidents ran against each other for the same Congressional seat), Madison and Monroe clashed on this very issue.) The first federally funded health program with required participation and payment was passed during the Adams administration. "An Act for the relief of sick and disabled seamen" was signed by President Adams in 1798.

Personally I am against a national mask mandate. I don't know if Biden can do it or not. What he and the Congress can do is withhold funds from states which don't have one. This has been the norm for generations. For example, the National Minimum Drinking Age Act authorized the withholding of federal monies from states which did not raise the drinking age.

The federal government has been involved in education since the Land-Grant College Act of 1862.

I suppose we could give back to France Louisiana and the rest of that land that Jefferson bought from them. After all, even he and Madison realized they had no Constitutional cover for that purchase.

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Old 08-29-2020, 02:45 PM
 
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That is what they said about the right to vote for women. Nice try.
Well, then, better get to work on getting a mask Constitutional Amendment passed. /snicker
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Old 08-29-2020, 02:50 PM
 
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Personally I am against a national mask mandate. I don't know if Biden can do it or not. What he and the Congress can do is withhold funds from states which don't have one. This has been the norm for generations. For example, the National Minimum Drinking Age Act authorized the withholding of federal monies from states which did not raise the drinking age.
Same with masks. Done.
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Old 08-29-2020, 02:53 PM
 
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Not even Madison, Hamilton and Washington who were at the Constitutional Convention agreed on what it meant once they got into power. The debate on enumerated powers goes back to the founding of the republic. During their campaign against each other (the only time two future presidents ran against each other for the same Congressional seat), Madison and Monroe clashed on this very issue.) The first federally funded health program with required participation and payment was passed during the Adams administration. "An Act for the relief of sick and disabled seamen" was signed by President Adams in 1798.
Here's how we know for sure that health care and education aren't Fed Gov powers... Which government licenses health care professionals and educators? Federal? Or state?

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Personally I am against a national mask mandate. I don't know if Biden can do it or not. What he and the Congress can do is withhold funds from states which don't have one. This has been the norm for generations. For example, the National Minimum Drinking Age Act authorized the withholding of federal monies from states which did not raise the drinking age.
Won't work. States can't mandate that masks be worn, either. SCOTUS has long held that clothing choices are a 1st Amendment issue. That's why governments can't require them but the private sector can on their own premises.
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Old 08-29-2020, 02:55 PM
 
Location: In a city within a state where politicians come to get their PHDs in Corruption
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This thread will go nowhere.

People do not want to address the real issue of the national debt.

Trump has increased the national debt. Trump promised to decrease the national debt. So now it is time for someone else to attempt to decrease the national debt.

Trumps attempt to cut the national debt have not worked. Lots of excuses by the Trump followers. But excuses don't lower the national debt.
Why should he? He, Obama and Bush all believe(d) in the power of the Federal printing press. Since mid-march, seven trillion dollars has been pumped into the economy, created out nothing more than thin air, and back up by nothing more than a guarantee.

For politicians, especially our last three presidents, it has been a silver bullet without any consequences. And, they're talking about three trillion more.

Buy gold as an inflation hedge.
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Old 08-29-2020, 03:01 PM
 
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And yet the bill was passed during the Adams administration and in the case of this bill, which can be seen online, Jefferson signed it also; he did not sign legislation he did not agree with since his assent was not needed. It required seamen to participate and to pay into the system.

Clothing is first amendment? Great, I can go out naked to Walmart...it ain't gonna be pretty. But seriously, in VA, the State 12th Circuit Court upheld the mask mandate. It has not been appealed.
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Old 08-29-2020, 03:03 PM
 
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Well, the prospect of lifetime zero interest rates scares me as I get closer to retirement age with very few places to earn ROI besides the russian roulette stock market.
You forgot the over inflated housing market. Even areas that used to have low housing price has price doubled in the last 10 years or so.

With the COVID shutdown, business closing permanently, people without a job and guess what, the housing market price gone up across the nation. It like at 2007/2008 again when people on sub-prime foreclosing their home and yet, the price of sub-prime bonds keep going up. Market was pushing to new high.
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