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Force readiness has continued to deteriorate for the Navy under Trump. Ships are at sea which should be undergoing maintenance, bridge crews continue to fail their navigation certifications. Crews are exhausted at sea, sometimes working 100 hours a week; the five and dime sleeping schedule which was never great, has been abandoned for chaotic ship sleeping schedules. All the while training exercises have been canceled due to Covid as the Russians completed earlier this month their largest naval training exercise since the USSR collapsed off the coast of Alaska.
BS, as I posted;
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The Navy has always complained they do not have enough money to do ABC, they complained in the 90's and 2000's when I was in, and they complain today. however, they seem to find enough money for their pet projects, and enough money for BS operations (wait, we will call it "show of force" or "displaying our unity").
Fact is, even adjusted for inflation, the US Navy budget is tens of billions more under Trump than it was under Obama and Bush, and is double what is was 20 years ago, the Navy has more money than ever in recent times. The USMC has more money than ever in its history, quadruple what it was 20 years ago.
You missed the big key word RETIRED. Under UCMJ they are not allowed to voice their political opinions while currently active duty.
I didn't miss it. You did. Its right there in the thread title. Active duty generals are not permitted to make such comments, so the retired ones speak in their behalf.
You missed the big key word RETIRED. Under UCMJ they are not allowed to voice their political opinions while currently active duty.
That is incorrect, active duty are allowed to voice their political opinions;
"Under DOD Directive 1344.10, members of the armed forces who are on active duty are permitted to express their personal opinions on political candidates, make a monetary contribution to a campaign, sign a petition to place a candidate's name on the ballot, and attend a political event as a spectator. Members on active duty may not participate in partisan activities such as soliciting or engaging in partisan fundraiser activities, serving as the sponsor of a partisan club, or speaking before a partisan gathering. In addition, all military members, including National Guard and Reserve forces, are prohibited from wearing military uniforms at political campaign events."
I didn't miss it. You did. Its right there in the thread title. Active duty generals are not permitted to make such comments, so the retired ones speak in their behalf.
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That is incorrect, active duty are allowed to voice their political opinions;
"Under DOD Directive 1344.10, members of the armed forces who are on active duty are permitted to express their personal opinions on political candidates, make a monetary contribution to a campaign, sign a petition to place a candidate's name on the ballot, and attend a political event as a spectator. Members on active duty may not participate in partisan activities such as soliciting or engaging in partisan fundraiser activities, serving as the sponsor of a partisan club, or speaking before a partisan gathering. In addition, all military members, including National Guard and Reserve forces, are prohibited from wearing military uniforms at political campaign events."
200 out of 5600.
Biden is fixin' to take an ass-whuppin' if your 200 out of 5600 is any indication.
It's generally expected of our military not to be swayed by politics or demonstrate a leaning along those lines. Not publicly anyway. One of the reasons our top military general Mark Milley apologized for being a part of the Trump church photo-op...
So 200 of 5,600 may be more a matter of staying clear of politics rather than indication of how many are for or against Trump. I have an friend who is a retired Senior FBI agent, and he has let me know that most of the FBY is also down on Trump like he is, and ultimately I think there is a bit of shifting away from Trump by many who were Trump supporters the last go around. We shall see...
That is incorrect, active duty are allowed to voice their political opinions;
"Under DOD Directive 1344.10, members of the armed forces who are on active duty are permitted to express their personal opinions on political candidates, make a monetary contribution to a campaign, sign a petition to place a candidate's name on the ballot, and attend a political event as a spectator. Members on active duty may not participate in partisan activities such as soliciting or engaging in partisan fundraiser activities, serving as the sponsor of a partisan club, or speaking before a partisan gathering. In addition, all military members, including National Guard and Reserve forces, are prohibited from wearing military uniforms at political campaign events."
Ok. Let's put it this way: No active duty general with half a brain in their head would do that. Ask McCrystal. He knows.
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Indicative of the military’s special status, the Uniform Code of Military Justice prohibits military personnel from using “contemptuous speech” against the President and other leaders, from engaging in “conduct prejudicial to good order and discipline in the Armed Forces,” and from “conduct unbecoming an officer and a gentleman.” These regulations have been used to restrict political expression as well as other activities. Also under the code, military personnel can be severely punished—including dismissal, forfeiture of pay, and imprisonment—for participating in rallies that criticize war efforts, even if they are off duty and dressed as civilians, an issue addressed in United States v. Howe (1967). https://www.mtsu.edu/first-amendment...tary-personnel
So once again why does a FORMER officer who was in the military's opinion matter? There are things greater than them that is going on now (also because it really is above their paygrade and their security clearance now).
Generals and Admirals are supposed to take orders, not become political commentators...the defense contractor kickbacks must be falling way behind during the Trump peace times, so they need to find another revenue stream.
looks like some warmongers upset Trump isn't starting a bunch of wars
Yep. That's exactly what I said. It's all it is, war mongers not getting their wars.
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