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I am only interested in hearing if there are independents. If you are a leftie and voted for Hillary, Obama, Clinton, etc...please move along.
So by saying this, you have already shown your bias right off the bat. And it can be understood as, you only want to hear from right leaning independents, and not true independents. Many of these poster are not independents at all, if you check out their posting history, they are Republicans hiding behind a independent label. They try to straddle the fence, because they don't want to offend anyone, like playing it safe.
I am only interested in hearing if there are independents. If you are a leftie and voted for Hillary, Obama, Clinton, etc...please move along.
Well there's people like me that think that both parties are trash, but I tend to pick a "lesser of two evils" more often than not. I've voted for George W, Barack Obama, Ron Paul and Gary Johnson in my lifetime. Does that count?
Well there's people like me that think that both parties are trash, but I tend to pick a "lesser of two evils" more often than not. I've voted for George W, Barack Obama, Ron Paul and Gary Johnson in my lifetime. Does that count?
Well there's people like me that think that both parties are trash, but I tend to pick a "lesser of two evils" more often than not. I've voted for George W, Barack Obama, Ron Paul and Gary Johnson in my lifetime. Does that count?
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Originally Posted by ipaper
You sound like a true independent.
Yup, that is a sign of a true independent.
Another key sign of being an independent is when you recognize the danger of one of these parties taking complete political control. I can see the results here in New York and I do not recommend it to anyone.
Having said that, there is nothing wrong with an independent leaning toward one party or another and that may change over time. Just keep an open mind and try to see the bigger picture.
Another key sign of being an independent is when you recognize the danger of one of these parties taking complete political control. I can see the results here in New York and I do not recommend it to anyone.
Having said that, there is nothing wrong with an independent leaning toward one party or another and that may change over time. Just keep an open mind and try to see the bigger picture.
At this point, against my better judgement, I'm leaning towards the Republicans. Having said that, I've lived in Utah where they absolutely dominate politics (or they did when I lived there 15 years ago). It's not as bad as California, New York or here in Illinois, but having them function as a one-party system there definitely leads to significant corruption. The Democrats certainly have no monopoly on corruption.
You're saying the second one as though it was an election outcome. Covid-19 was coming for us no matter what. Nobody avoided Covid-19 because their political leaders were "politically Left enough." No, Covid-19 quite happily spread to super-Lefty Europe. It spread to Japan, South Korea, Australia, the Middle East, Africa, South America, Russia, etc. It went everywhere and it's so contagious that sooner or later everyone on the planet will probably get it. There is no "coulda, shoulda, woulda" hypothetical president who'd have changed things much. The USA is the most comorbid nation on earth. The USA is fat, out of shape, diabetic and riddled with heart disease and cancer. A large death toll from Covid-19 was pretty much inevitable.
I'm still quite proud of the fact that I didn't vote for Trump or Clinton in 2016. I still have no regrets there. Both are terrible people. Neither deserved my vote.
Trump has gotten some great things done and I wasn't expecting much out of the big orange blowhard. Deregulation. No new war zones. Not going to war with Iraq. Advancing the peace process in the Middle East. The most success against human trafficking we've ever seen. Massive economic gains. Hopefully more action and less talk taking on big pharma. (R's and D's both talk big about "taking on big pharma" when it's election time, then they win, they cash the big pharma check and don't do a damn thing.) I'm actually thrilled that at least one of the two parties in our stupid partisan duopoly is being dragged -- kicking and screaming if necessary -- in the direction of less government, less war and less BS. I just wish it was somebody a lot less annoying than Donald Trump being the catalyst for that change. But with the American Cultural Revolution ramping up and the Dems wholeheartedly embracing it, I'm forced to vote for the bad orange man this time. I feel dirty already.
Both parties are still complete crap. That much certainly hasn't changed.
I'm just a bystander, but that wasn't funny. It was passive aggressive and I believe you know that.
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