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Old 10-07-2020, 09:24 AM
 
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So is this supposed to be the 'October Surprise' Trump has been counting on to save his campaign?
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Old 10-07-2020, 09:25 AM
 
Location: Just over the horizon
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If there was anything illegal -- it would have been dealt with...


ROFLMAO......


You cannot possibly be that naive.
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Old 10-07-2020, 09:26 AM
 
Location: Oklahoma
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The fact that the CIA knew about the plan to frame Donald Trump with the phony Russian dossier is sickening.

Brennans handwritten notes still have too many redactions, but it appears the "foreign policy adviser" who allegedly proposed "vilifying Donald Trump by stirring up a scandal claiming interference by Russian security services" was Jake Sullivan, now a top Biden aide. Hillary OK'd his proposal on July 26, 2016--days before FBI opened probe.

And Obama was briefed on it, which means Biden knew about it as well.
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Old 10-07-2020, 10:03 AM
 
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The fact that the CIA knew about the plan to frame Donald Trump with the phony Russian dossier is sickening.

Brennans handwritten notes still have too many redactions, but it appears the "foreign policy adviser" who allegedly proposed "vilifying Donald Trump by stirring up a scandal claiming interference by Russian security services" was Jake Sullivan, now a top Biden aide. Hillary OK'd his proposal on July 26, 2016--days before FBI opened probe.

And Obama was briefed on it, which means Biden knew about it as well.
It is a fact that Russia interfered in our elections. There are multiple grand jury indictments of Russians, perhaps 26 or more, for their parts in the activities.

It is a fact that Trump was aware of it and pleased with the help, even if he did not directly contribute to their efforts.

It is a fact that there were over 40 contacts between members of the Trump campaign and Russian operatives, picked up by routine surveillance of Russian communications initially. This was not surveillance of Americans, they were contacting the Russians and got picked up as the other parties in phone calls etc.

No other campaign that year had any contacts. None of the 16 other Republican primary campaigns nor the five Democratic campaigns, not the Greens nor the Libertarians. But the Trump campaign had dozens initially, and the list later expanded to several hundred conversations and exchanges, sometimes meeting in person.

It is a fact that Paul Manafort, then head of the Trump campaign, met with a Russian operative personally and handed over Republican private polling data for the four states of Pennsylvania, Michigan, Wisconsin and Minnesota.

It is a fact that the Steele dossier was first commissioned by a Republican PAC, and purchased by the Democrats later.

It is a fact that the Trump campaign forced the Republican Platform committee to eliminate harsh condemnations of Russia's attacks on Ukraine. They literally defanged the erstwhile patriotic Republican party.

It is a fact that Trump attempted to lift all sanctions on Russia the first week in office, Congress found out about it and stopped that attempt. Further sanctions approved after Trump took office were opposed by Trump, and he signed them reluctantly after Congress demonstrated it could over-ride his veto. Subsequently Trump did not enforce the new sanctions.

The Muller report outlines no less than ten incidences of Donald Trump obstructing justice in cases related to the Russian interference.

These current meager attempts to throw shade on the investigations of contacts between the Trump campaign and Russia simply will not work. Hell yeah we want our national security apparatus checking into these crimes. It's what we pay them for, and as patriots they would want to do it.
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Old 10-07-2020, 10:32 AM
 
Location: Long Island, N.Y.
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The subverted demoralized zombies cannot process or comprehend the information right before their eyes.
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Old 10-07-2020, 10:42 AM
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It is a fact that Russia interfered in our elections. There are multiple grand jury indictments of Russians, perhaps 26 or more, for their parts in the activities.
And they laughed at Mueller. Didn't he have to throw those out because he had insufficient evidence?
Mueller's own report said they also helped Hillary and Sanders. Many CIA analysts were convinced they wanted Hillary to win but Brennan covered that up.



It is a fact that Trump was aware of it and pleased with the help, even if he did not directly contribute to their efforts.
Fiction from DNC talking point


It is a fact that there were over 40 contacts between members of the Trump campaign and Russian operatives, picked up by routine surveillance of Russian communications initially. This was not surveillance of Americans, they were contacting the Russians and got picked up as the other parties in phone calls etc.

No other campaign that year had any contacts. None of the 16 other Republican primary campaigns nor the five Democratic campaigns, not the Greens nor the Libertarians. But the Trump campaign had dozens initially, and the list later expanded to several hundred conversations and exchanges, sometimes meeting in person.

No other campaign was spied on by the government. And incoming adminstrations ALWAYS talk to foreign governments.

It is a fact that Paul Manafort, then head of the Trump campaign, met with a Russian operative personally and handed over Republican private polling data for the four states of Pennsylvania, Michigan, Wisconsin and Minnesota.

So? He was a colleague. He was also a colleague of Podesta's brother. Podesta was Hillary's campaign manager. What he did was not unethical, let alone a crime.

It is a fact that the Steele dossier was first commissioned by a Republican PAC, and purchased by the Democrats later.

That is another MSM lie. Rubio's people contracted with Steele. The dossiere was all paid for by Clinton and US taxpayers.

It is a fact that the Trump campaign forced the Republican Platform committee to eliminate harsh condemnations of Russia's attacks on Ukraine. They literally defanged the erstwhile patriotic Republican party.

Another lie. That has been debunked so many times you have to be willingly ignorant. Note that Obama would only give the Ukrainians socks while Trump gave them weapons that could kill Russians.

It is a fact that Trump attempted to lift all sanctions on Russia the first week in office, Congress found out about it and stopped that attempt. Further sanctions approved after Trump took office were opposed by Trump, and he signed them reluctantly after Congress demonstrated it could over-ride his veto. Subsequently Trump did not enforce the new sanctions.

So? He thought it was unconstructive. It was his willingness to work with them that kept the Russians from responding with things that Obama feared. So Trump deescalated the issue.

The Muller report outlines no less than ten incidences of Donald Trump obstructing justice in cases related to the Russian interference.

Mueller was fos. Everyone wanted Comey fired. He was an incompetent clown.

These current meager attempts to throw shade on the investigations of contacts between the Trump campaign and Russia simply will not work. Hell yeah we want our national security apparatus checking into these crimes. It's what we pay them for, and as patriots they would want to do it.
Obama apologists will never admit it, but this was a far worse scandal than Watergate.
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Old 10-07-2020, 10:45 AM
 
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Uh...why were they classified in the first place?!!


That seems very strange, why would they want to keep that from people seeing it?
Because everything the government did is a matter of “national security”
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Old 10-07-2020, 10:52 AM
 
Location: Staten Island, NY
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It is a fact that Russia interfered in our elections. There are multiple grand jury indictments of Russians, perhaps 26 or more, for their parts in the activities.

It is a fact that Trump was aware of it and pleased with the help, even if he did not directly contribute to their efforts.

It is a fact that there were over 40 contacts between members of the Trump campaign and Russian operatives, picked up by routine surveillance of Russian communications initially. This was not surveillance of Americans, they were contacting the Russians and got picked up as the other parties in phone calls etc.

No other campaign that year had any contacts. None of the 16 other Republican primary campaigns nor the five Democratic campaigns, not the Greens nor the Libertarians. But the Trump campaign had dozens initially, and the list later expanded to several hundred conversations and exchanges, sometimes meeting in person.

It is a fact that Paul Manafort, then head of the Trump campaign, met with a Russian operative personally and handed over Republican private polling data for the four states of Pennsylvania, Michigan, Wisconsin and Minnesota.

It is a fact that the Steele dossier was first commissioned by a Republican PAC, and purchased by the Democrats later.

It is a fact that the Trump campaign forced the Republican Platform committee to eliminate harsh condemnations of Russia's attacks on Ukraine. They literally defanged the erstwhile patriotic Republican party.

It is a fact that Trump attempted to lift all sanctions on Russia the first week in office, Congress found out about it and stopped that attempt. Further sanctions approved after Trump took office were opposed by Trump, and he signed them reluctantly after Congress demonstrated it could over-ride his veto. Subsequently Trump did not enforce the new sanctions.

The Muller report outlines no less than ten incidences of Donald Trump obstructing justice in cases related to the Russian interference.

These current meager attempts to throw shade on the investigations of contacts between the Trump campaign and Russia simply will not work. Hell yeah we want our national security apparatus checking into these crimes. It's what we pay them for, and as patriots they would want to do it.
With all these "facts" it's stunning that Hillary Clinton, President Obama, Joe Biden, John Brennan, and many more co-consiprators had to concoct a phony Russian collusion scandal to frame than canidate Donald Trump. They should have let the "facts" play out instead of trying to cheat. Esspecially since Hillary Clinton was such a "shoe in" to be elected.
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Old 10-07-2020, 10:53 AM
 
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Democrats this morning


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Old 10-07-2020, 11:04 AM
 
Location: Northern California
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Obama apologists will never admit it, but this was a far worse scandal than Watergate.
Can you imagine how much press this would get in the MSM if this was done by Republicans? I'm sick and tired of the way the media focuses on minutia and ignores the real news in order to promote the Democrat agenda.
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