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Old 10-25-2020, 07:26 AM
 
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  • Depression and mental illness --- what does that have to do with COVID
  • Suicides -- is not COVID
  • Delays in care from cancer ---More personal responsibility
  • Drug and Opioid abuse - more personal responsibility
  • Domestic violence and child abuse --- criminal not COVID
  • Cardiovascular disease and stroke -- long term, way before COVID, health problems
  • Reduce lifespan due to unemployment --- does not make much sense
These are the reasons given for lock-downs causing more deaths. It all sounds like quackery and a stretch to me and none of it has any research data.

Homicide, suicides, drug overdoses, heart attacks, strokes, food insecurity, unemployment all rose with the lockdowns. Lockdowns and restrictions are not harmless.
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Old 10-25-2020, 07:40 AM
 
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  • Depression and mental illness --- what does that have to do with COVID
  • Suicides -- is not COVID
  • Delays in care from cancer ---More personal responsibility
  • Drug and Opioid abuse - more personal responsibility
  • Domestic violence and child abuse --- criminal not COVID
  • Cardiovascular disease and stroke -- long term, way before COVID, health problems
  • Reduce lifespan due to unemployment --- does not make much sense
These are the reasons given for lock-downs causing more deaths. It all sounds like quackery and a stretch to me and none of it has any research data.

Actually there was a study that came out last week which supported all these things. But that won't help your denial.
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Old 10-25-2020, 09:18 AM
 
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Originally Posted by ditchoc View Post
  • Depression and mental illness --- what does that have to do with COVID
  • Suicides -- is not COVID
  • Delays in care from cancer ---More personal responsibility
  • Drug and Opioid abuse - more personal responsibility
  • Domestic violence and child abuse --- criminal not COVID
  • Cardiovascular disease and stroke -- long term, way before COVID, health problems
  • Reduce lifespan due to unemployment --- does not make much sense
These are the reasons given for lock-downs causing more deaths. It all sounds like quackery and a stretch to me and none of it has any research data.
Here’s the study showing how Americans are affected and how real the damage is. Sorry, not quackery.
https://www.apa.org/news/press/relea...lth-crisis.pdf
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Old 10-25-2020, 09:49 AM
 
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The number doesn't support it.

There is an extra 279,000 death in 2020 compared to 2019.

There is roughly 200,000 Covid deaths at the same point in the year.

Thus, there is about 79,000 extra deaths not related to Covid. Let's assume these deaths are all related to the lockdowns, 79,000 is still much less than 200,000. And I'm willing to bet most of these 79,000 deaths have nothing to do with the lockdown or Covid.

279,700 extra deaths in the US so far in this pandemic year

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Here's some related discussion of those other deaths:

https://jamanetwork.com/journals/jam...rticle/2767980
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Old 10-25-2020, 09:51 AM
 
Location: Placitas, New Mexico
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But do you care...”NO” we need to destroy the economy to get rid of evil orange man...and if it requires human collateral damage so be it...because in the end we really are looking out for your best interest...trust us..



https://thefederalist.com/2020/10/21...han-the-virus/
And you are quoting a South African source as relevant here?? How laughable and desperate is that argument?
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Old 10-25-2020, 09:55 AM
 
Location: Santa Monica
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Well, the WH still has “lockdown” guidance on its website.

Abbott, DeWine, DeSantis, and Kemp all had/have various closures/“lockdown” measures.

I still can’t buy a beer after 10pm if I’m in Cincinnati.

Republicans love them some authoritarian Marxism just as much as the self-admitted socialists on Team Blue.

Enjoy your government, statists.

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Old 10-25-2020, 10:15 AM
 
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So what do you think is going to happen? You think the depression is just going to go away if things are completely opened up?

Pretending this thing doesn’t exist repairs nothing. Everything could be open for business, but people are still going to be stressed and depressed because this virus is still raging on. You guys think people are depressed because someone is forcing them to isolate in their homes? This is not true. If you wear a mask, you can pretty much do what you want.

It’s not because they can’t do normal things, but because they know every time they do, they put themselves and others in danger! That’s the depressing part.

My elderly parents’ mental health isn’t suffering because they can’t go out. It’s because they have to choose between isolating themselves as much as possible or putting themselves at risk every time they do. That’s a virus problem, not a lockdown problem!

Right now, people only have two choices. Stop engaging in risky behaviors that gave us a lot of joy pre pandemic, or face a contagious virus that can put themselves and their loved ones at risk.

Those are sh**** a** choices. No wonder our mental health is suffering. And a 100% open economy ain’t going to fix anything until this virus is under control.
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Old 10-25-2020, 10:16 AM
 
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So what do you think is going to happen? You think the depression is just going to go away if things are completely opened up?

Pretending this thing doesn’t exist repairs nothing. Everything could be open for business, but people are still going to be stressed and depressed because this virus is still raging on. You guys think people are depressed because someone is forcing them to isolate in their homes? This is not true. If you wear a mask, you can pretty much do what you want.

It’s not because they can’t do normal things, but because they know every time they do, they put themselves and others in danger! That’s the depressing part.

My elderly parents’ mental health isn’t suffering because they can’t go out. It’s because they have to choose between isolating themselves as much as possible or putting themselves at risk every time they do. That’s a virus problem, not a lockdown problem!

Right now, people only have two choices. Stop engaging in risky behaviors that gave us a lot of joy pre pandemic, or face a contagious virus that can put themselves and their loved ones at risk.

Those are sh**** a** choices. No wonder our mental health is suffering. And a 100% open economy ain’t going to fix anything until this virus is under control.

If so then we should end the restrictions and let the chips fall where they may.
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Old 10-25-2020, 10:36 AM
 
Location: Just over the horizon
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Here’s the study showing how Americans are affected and how real the damage is. Sorry, not quackery.
https://www.apa.org/news/press/relea...lth-crisis.pdf



Everyone is pissed off, depressed and gaining weight while sitting around doing nothing.

Not good for you physical or mental health.


The effects of which are likely to last longer than the pandemic.
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Old 10-25-2020, 10:49 AM
 
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Everyone is pissed off, depressed and gaining weight while sitting around doing nothing.

Not good for you physical or mental health.


The effects of which are likely to last longer than the pandemic.
Not everyone. We stayed in Portland longer over the summer since everyone was masked and distanced. So gyms were open, as opposed to AZ.
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