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Old 11-17-2020, 11:26 AM
 
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Who cares? trees can only hold a finite amount of C02, and when they die a lot of it is released. A lot of it also is transferred to, and stored within soil by those trees, but the soil can only hold a finite amount of it, and that emerges when the soil is disturbed too much. That's not a total solution when humans, left to their own devices, will keep exponentially producing more.



That's totally inconsequential compared to Wal-Mart disposable plastic bags, cheese-wrappers and other garbage we produce to a much greater extent.



That is a problem...for now. There are, of course, existing solutions to that problem that do not involve fossil fuels. There will be more in the future, and there are ways to speed up the development of cheap versions of those solutions.

Also...if we do develop something like that plan to use planes to release aerosols into the atmosphere to cool the planet, and that works well enough that global warming is no longer a huge concern, and clean (ish) coal tech's work out well enough, from just the standpoint of resource conservation, the world has A TON more coal than it does oil. We're not going to have to worry about running out of coal for quite some time.

I do have concerns about perpetually dumping more and more sunlight-reflecting, planet-cooling aerosols into the atmosphere as a long-term solution though....cheap though it sounds like it could be.
Planes dumping aerosols into the atmosphere to cool the planet? What could possibly go wrong with that?
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Old 11-17-2020, 11:35 AM
 
Location: Missouri, USA
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Planes dumping aerosols into the atmosphere to cool the planet? What could possibly go wrong with that?
Especially if we keep doing it over a couple centuries
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Old 11-17-2020, 02:17 PM
 
Location: Missouri, USA
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Especially if we keep doing it over a couple centuries
Actually, I'm pretty excited about that prospect of using planes to dump aerosols into the atmosphere to cool the planet. Supposedly that might be ready in fifteen years. Before reading about this, I figured we'd probably just be damned to experience massive migration of people around the world...but this could slow things down a bit, and it seems a lot safer and more easy to control than the second best way to go about keeping the planet from warming too much that I've read about: seeding the oceans with iron so that phytoplankton grow more, absorbing more C02 and sinking down to the bottom of the ocean when they die, taking the C02 with them. That process would involve directly tampering with life forms that of course can mutate. I like that prospect a lot worse.

I find the knowledge that there is a plan being developed to possibly use aerosols to cool temperature down a little quite uplifting. That could give us a lot more time to get our act together before we reach the point of 600 million or whatever illiterate immigrants swarming into the country, after hand-paddling across the ocean on rafts made of driftwood and tar paper...all of whom have no marketable skills and are hungry.

It sounds risky, I'm also thinking it sounds better than the alternative.
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Old 11-17-2020, 02:18 PM
 
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renewable energy sources are now the cheapest form of electricity. As those get deployed i expect the cost of energy to decline over time.
Google "subsidy"
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Old 11-17-2020, 02:22 PM
 
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What the heck does the green new deal have to do with anything

This thread is about climate change. The New Green Deal seeks to address climate change. See, that wasn't too hard, was it?
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Old 11-17-2020, 02:30 PM
 
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How about you give me one and we'll see how sophisticated your explanation is? I know how a very large number of them have been refuted.

Pretty much every predicted climate crisis of the last 50 years hasn't come to fruition. In the 70s we were all going to die in a new ice age within a generation. Then it was ozone depletion. Then it was Gore's "Inconvenient Truth" debacle that predicted we'd be living in a Water World type situation by now. It's always some new manufactured climate crisis dujour. Global temperatures have been going up and down since the beginning of time. I suspect that if we're headed to a climate change induced extinction-level event, the best we can hope for is to delay it slightly, if that. Mother nature wins in the long term, every single time.
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Old 11-17-2020, 02:52 PM
 
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Renewable energy sources are now the cheapest form of electricity. As those get deployed I expect the cost of energy to decline over time.
That is preposterous.
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Old 11-17-2020, 02:54 PM
 
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Actually, I'm pretty excited about that prospect of using planes to dump aerosols into the atmosphere to cool the planet. Supposedly that might be ready in fifteen years. Before reading about this, I figured we'd probably just be damned to experience massive migration of people around the world...
Ever heard of borders?
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Old 11-17-2020, 03:13 PM
 
Location: Minnysoda
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Renewable energy sources are now the cheapest form of electricity. As those get deployed I expect the cost of energy to decline over time.
I expect you to be disappointed...
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Old 11-17-2020, 03:25 PM
 
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He's gonna fight climate change by sending our jobs to the third world where the carbon footprint of those goods will then become as big as possible.

He wants more illegal immigrants, who will have the biggest carbon footprint possible once they get here.

He wants to gut 4 million+ buildings. Much of the new insulation and other materials will be from the third world and then you have to get rid of all the waste.

Every idea they have is literally a plan to wreck the environment AND the US economy.
^^^ Lefties don't want to address any of this stuff when they cheer for their side.

The left will destroy America in the name of saving the planet...all the while causing increased damage to the planet.
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