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My .02, the govt now should do away and change a few things very very soon (like now) to minimize the damage it (govt) is causing to the rest of US population:
There is no way around OIL and FOOD, everyone is effected and they effect generally (better or worse) all aspects of normal living:
1. Stop the subsidies (for ethanol) to corn growers, I know alot of farmers will be upset, but this was an artifical price creation fm our central planning govt fm inspirational 'thinktank' groups like Gore Inc/environt wackos/etc...
2. Stop the tariffs on foreign ethanol (and sugar for that matter), no wonder soda manuf. use corn syrup instead of sugar!!
3. Reduce or eliminate gas taxes by govt
4. Reduce or eliminate all of the redtape(enviorn. impact) on refinery production, oil drilling, nuke power etc ...China syndrome movie was a fictional hollywood movie!! But so many took this as gospel (like Gores 'big hit' fictional movie) and effected policy making for nuke plants yrs to come.
By just doing/implementing the above (4) items alone will have a *vast* improvement in our daily lives....
Right now, I dont care if they have to drill right through a polar bear to get to that oil, anything to bring these prices down, the better. This 'anwar' is what part of a very large 1000's of acres of nomans land, and they could sink some slant wells in a pocket of a couple 100 of acres? But NOOO, that'd be horrible!!
And YES, the answer is increase the SUPPLY, not wind farms, hybrids, etc... we *need* OIL NOW for the next 10-20 years etc.. in the meantime use the experimental research for future stuff on solar, helium, co2, h20 etc.... And this crap on hold oil co 'responsible' they're, when we import (gasp) almost 2/3 our oil supply overseas, how the hell could our homegrown 'Big Oil' be hedgeing the prices? When they, the beurucrats themselves are enjoying and spending the skyhigh taxes they levy for doing absuotly nothing. The oil comp have to research, prospect, leasing, production, and of course corp income tax to death but that's not enough for the tax anything that moves congress.... No wonder Halliburton moved offshore, if I was running that company (for profit) I'd do the same as well.
It's amazing that every Rep/Demo parrot the same thing, reduce our dependence on foreign oil, but nothing gets done! And heaven forbid, if govt just seizes all oil pwr Chavista sytle for that 'central planning' approach that time/time again always fails and costs/shortages shoot straight up except for the Govt.Inc types..... this is a failed socialistic approach that has been proven to fail over and over again Ie: soviet union, n.korea, cuba, etc... just let the free markets prevail have govt get the hell out of the way.....
Another thing blocking the expansion of drilling/refining/etc.. here is the Gore Inc. worshippers...this 'global warming' scam/hoax...
And what a scam it is, just a ideology fleece job... science can't be up for a vote, either it is or it isn't. That's why the CEO of the Weather Channel and others are in the process of suing Gore Inc and his minions for they're guilt trip/scare tactic fictional movie (yes fictional, Gore Inc tech director even admitted to 'doctoring' photos/comp. generaterated/and even using shots fm Day After Tommorrow movie!!!) and way to make you 'feel better' is to send us money for 'co2 footprint' reduction, carbon 'footprint' etc.... News flash, CO2 is not a 'pollutat', plants need this, and if you want to cutdown, just don't breath! We have trouble predicting the '3 day outlook' even with all of the computer models, advancements, etc... much less 2 wks-1 yr-50-100yrs fm now. Greenland was called 'Greenland' for a reason...look it up. And who is to say that 'warmer planet' is necessarily bad? Much more can be grown (for food, not gas!) etc... what made this Gore dummy the 'super guru'? Cause he put together a fabricated movie to pass it off as legitimate maxim science?
History is full of 'cycles' cooler/warmer/more precipation/less precipation/droughts/floods/storms/etc... a while back 'the experts' thought we'd be in a 'colder period' now, so go figure. Gore doesn't want to give up on his cash cow climate enterprise, absoultally amazing how this is mandatory viewing in many schools and is treated as gospel, not an opinion of Gore's, with no other side to the story. What a brainwash.
Gore Inc will never sit in for a real debate (not cuddle club reporters asking easy yes questions) on this whole 'issue' cause he knows he'll have his heinie handed to him and expose him for a fake/fraud/mental lightweight he is. But the armor of protection is cracking and will break it wide open when he is summoned to court in NY soon. You like our food for gas program?, higher gas prices?, thank the Gore club and other socialists/marksists. Who in right mind would take food (corn/etc..) and turn it into gas, when it takes almost a gal of fuel, to produce a gal of 'ethonol'??!!!.... Sorry but I get worked up when people blame things they can't control/understand (ie the weather, earthquakes, storms, ocean currents, gravity pull etc...) and somehow convience other 'sheeple' that by driving a hybrid, living in a cave, recyling tolietpaper, using ethanol, wearing 100% recycled clothing is somehow going to make a 'difference'.. the only diff. is the higher prices. Rant off.
I'm getting to like the fingerpointing going around. It seems that it's been plentiful where I'm standing.
I'm thinking about creating a "wheel of blame". Some suggested segments would include OPEC, Bush/Cheney, speculators, environmentalists, Chavez nationalization...I guess that's about it for now. Anyone have other suggestoins?
Oil IMHO isn't going up. There's just too much money out there diluting its purchasing power.
My .02, the govt now should do away and change a few things very very soon (like now) to minimize the damage it (govt) is causing to the rest of US population:
There is no way around OIL and FOOD, everyone is effected and they effect generally (better or worse) all aspects of normal living:
1. Stop the subsidies (for ethanol) to corn growers, I know alot of farmers will be upset, but this was an artifical price creation fm our central planning govt fm inspirational 'thinktank' groups like Gore Inc/environt wackos/etc...
2. Stop the tariffs on foreign ethanol (and sugar for that matter), no wonder soda manuf. use corn syrup instead of sugar!!
3. Reduce or eliminate gas taxes by govt
4. Reduce or eliminate all of the redtape(enviorn. impact) on refinery production, oil drilling, nuke power etc ...China syndrome movie was a fictional hollywood movie!! But so many took this as gospel (like Gores 'big hit' fictional movie) and effected policy making for nuke plants yrs to come.
By just doing/implementing the above (4) items alone will have a *vast* improvement in our daily lives....
Right now, I dont care if they have to drill right through a polar bear to get to that oil, anything to bring these prices down, the better. This 'anwar' is what part of a very large 1000's of acres of nomans land, and they could sink some slant wells in a pocket of a couple 100 of acres? But NOOO, that'd be horrible!!
And YES, the answer is increase the SUPPLY, not wind farms, hybrids, etc... we *need* OIL NOW for the next 10-20 years etc.. in the meantime use the experimental research for future stuff on solar, helium, co2, h20 etc.... And this crap on hold oil co 'responsible' they're, when we import (gasp) almost 2/3 our oil supply overseas, how the hell could our homegrown 'Big Oil' be hedgeing the prices? When they, the beurucrats themselves are enjoying and spending the skyhigh taxes they levy for doing absuotly nothing. The oil comp have to research, prospect, leasing, production, and of course corp income tax to death but that's not enough for the tax anything that moves congress.... No wonder Halliburton moved offshore, if I was running that company (for profit) I'd do the same as well.
It's amazing that every Rep/Demo parrot the same thing, reduce our dependence on foreign oil, but nothing gets done! And heaven forbid, if govt just seizes all oil pwr Chavista sytle for that 'central planning' approach that time/time again always fails and costs/shortages shoot straight up except for the Govt.Inc types..... this is a failed socialistic approach that has been proven to fail over and over again Ie: soviet union, n.korea, cuba, etc... just let the free markets prevail have govt get the hell out of the way.....
Another thing blocking the expansion of drilling/refining/etc.. here is the Gore Inc. worshippers...this 'global warming' scam/hoax...
And what a scam it is, just a ideology fleece job... science can't be up for a vote, either it is or it isn't. That's why the CEO of the Weather Channel and others are in the process of suing Gore Inc and his minions for they're guilt trip/scare tactic fictional movie (yes fictional, Gore Inc tech director even admitted to 'doctoring' photos/comp. generaterated/and even using shots fm Day After Tommorrow movie!!!) and way to make you 'feel better' is to send us money for 'co2 footprint' reduction, carbon 'footprint' etc.... News flash, CO2 is not a 'pollutat', plants need this, and if you want to cutdown, just don't breath! We have trouble predicting the '3 day outlook' even with all of the computer models, advancements, etc... much less 2 wks-1 yr-50-100yrs fm now. Greenland was called 'Greenland' for a reason...look it up. And who is to say that 'warmer planet' is necessarily bad? Much more can be grown (for food, not gas!) etc... what made this Gore dummy the 'super guru'? Cause he put together a fabricated movie to pass it off as legitimate maxim science?
History is full of 'cycles' cooler/warmer/more precipation/less precipation/droughts/floods/storms/etc... a while back 'the experts' thought we'd be in a 'colder period' now, so go figure. Gore doesn't want to give up on his cash cow climate enterprise, absoultally amazing how this is mandatory viewing in many schools and is treated as gospel, not an opinion of Gore's, with no other side to the story. What a brainwash.
Gore Inc will never sit in for a real debate (not cuddle club reporters asking easy yes questions) on this whole 'issue' cause he knows he'll have his heinie handed to him and expose him for a fake/fraud/mental lightweight he is. But the armor of protection is cracking and will break it wide open when he is summoned to court in NY soon. You like our food for gas program?, higher gas prices?, thank the Gore club and other socialists/marksists. Who in right mind would take food (corn/etc..) and turn it into gas, when it takes almost a gal of fuel, to produce a gal of 'ethonol'??!!!.... Sorry but I get worked up when people blame things they can't control/understand (ie the weather, earthquakes, storms, ocean currents, gravity pull etc...) and somehow convience other 'sheeple' that by driving a hybrid, living in a cave, recyling tolietpaper, using ethanol, wearing 100% recycled clothing is somehow going to make a 'difference'.. the only diff. is the higher prices. Rant off.
The problem with your post and thoughts and opinions above is that you make too much sense!
Is it possible that some of you folks are jumping the gun just a little bit here? Perhaps you are correct about the ethanol, but where is your statistical analysis backing up your claims (and subsequent diatribes about political decisions)?
Here is an article from a publication that certainly isn't liberal, Businessweek:
A reality check on corn ethanol, which isn't quite the villain critics make it out to be. Last year, American farmers grew a record 13.1 billion bushels of corn on 85 million acres. Of that, 22% went to make about 7 billion gallons of ethanol. That still left enough corn to supply the domestic market, increase exports to record levels, and stockpile a 10% surplus. McKinsey principal Bill Caesar estimates farmers will be able to keep increasing corn-based ethanol production to 15 billion gallons in 2015 (a level of output mandated by federal policy) without reducing the amount going for food and feed, and without increasing acres planted.
Is Ethanol Getting a Bum Rap? (http://www.businessweek.com/magazine/content/08_19/b4083060454256.htm?chan=top+news_top+news+index_to p+story - broken link)
All I know is . . . I bought a car that runs on either gas or ethanol . . . thinking I had made a really smart decision - one that was progressive and eco-conscious - and now I feel duped. I was happily paying more for ethanol thinking I was doing "the right thing," blah blah.
So I sure would like to find out I didn't make a bad decision but I hear conflicting info . . .
I'm getting to like the fingerpointing going around. It seems that it's been plentiful where I'm standing.
I'm thinking about creating a "wheel of blame". Some suggested segments would include OPEC, Bush/Cheney, speculators, environmentalists, Chavez nationalization...I guess that's about it for now. Anyone have other suggestoins?
Oil IMHO isn't going up. There's just too much money out there diluting its purchasing power.
Thanks Peak, the reality is that lots of countries now (ie: the 'sunrise' economies of China/India/etc..) are coming online and that isn't going to change nor stop. Farmers/rural folks in these areas in general (not all) are moving to cities, people in cities are having more disposiable income, and people before rode a bike etc.. now they want a car(s), and for others that the main staple (still is) was rice 3x a day, now what a steak dinner every now and then (nothing wrong with that), take vactions by driving or flying, but boils down to their experiencing what we USA experienced in the post WWII period, job growth, lots of 2 parent households, more disposable income, etc... which increases a demand that wasn't on this worldwide scale say 10 yrs ago.
THe fingerpointing is a focused one, not at the demand at the worldwide level, that is pretty much out our hands, but at our own govt. and how they the congress is still blocking any more drilling, permits (much oil is on fed land), refineries, etc... this is basic high school econ 101. Hearing the candidates for prez is really scary, Clinton says she wants to talk to OPEC, Bush says OPEC please do something,... who they should be talking/telling is that congress to undo all of that embargo they put on OUR OWN OIL and get to it. Sorry to beat the horse on this, it's really amazing they should be representing the people (they're district) yet some come across has the top-down planning approach... the Big Oil would love to start drilling/refining if only they got the green light fm congress. On a diff. note, 'big oil' should round up all of the naysayers fm congress and hold do a public hearing on them, the same way they did to the oil execs.... to expose why are they sitting there and not doing their job to stabilize this US economy. The truth is they don't have plan.
So, forget the planet, I want cheap gas! Wow, how ridiculous that is. A nuclear bomb is safer than a nuclear power plant should there be a meltdown. The radiation from the bomb would dissipate within a few months time while the radiation from a nuclear power plant would take many tens of thousands of years to recover from. I won't for one second abandon environmental regulation for a cheap gallon of anything. I don't want a repeat of rivers setting on fire (the Cuyahoga in Cleveland actually set on fire it was so polluted) or oceans too lacking in oxygen for fish to live in (for example, the continent sized dead area in the Pacific where the ocean is more plastic molecules than water).
Go ahead, destroy YOUR planet while you reap the short-term benefits. We can't have red tape blocking our path to self-destruction. Without careful consideration for the effects of one's actions, no action should be taken. Until safeguards are foolproof, I'm not willing to risk my life or my children's just to reduce a few inconveniences.
Obviously, we need to change direction, not floor the accelerator.
Sugar cane will produce the same amount of energy, as will other grasses.
You're right, no one wants to be responsible or remove kickbacks to "farmers" - it's a sham and a scam.
Is it possible that some of you folks are jumping the gun just a little bit here? Perhaps you are correct about the ethanol, but where is your statistical analysis backing up your claims (and subsequent diatribes about political decisions)?
Here is an article from a publication that certainly isn't liberal, Businessweek:
A reality check on corn ethanol, which isn't quite the villain critics make it out to be. Last year, American farmers grew a record 13.1 billion bushels of corn on 85 million acres. Of that, 22% went to make about 7 billion gallons of ethanol. That still left enough corn to supply the domestic market, increase exports to record levels, and stockpile a 10% surplus. McKinsey principal Bill Caesar estimates farmers will be able to keep increasing corn-based ethanol production to 15 billion gallons in 2015 (a level of output mandated by federal policy) without reducing the amount going for food and feed, and without increasing acres planted.
Is Ethanol Getting a Bum Rap? (http://www.businessweek.com/magazine/content/08_19/b4083060454256.htm?chan=top+news_top+news+index_to p+story - broken link)
One of the problems is that farmers are dropping other crops to grow only corn, as it is so profitable for them, all the while still getting subsidies for uncle sam. This creates a shortage of other crops. Also, corn is a very heavy feeder, so it will eventually rape the soil of all nutrients and make it worthless.
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