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Old 12-09-2020, 05:49 AM
 
Location: Florida
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The US stepped up against Nazi Germany in WW2. Will the US step up against the inhumanity of the CCP?
Nazi concentration camps were not the reason US went to war against Germany.

Why? Their existence was not known at the time when the decision was made.

Did we do something about the Gulags in USSR, Mao's camps in China, or Pol Pot's camps Cambodia? No, we did not. We have been the world police since WWII, but it has its limits, and usually the limit is the absence of US incentive.
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Old 12-09-2020, 06:20 AM
 
Location: EU
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The reason I proposed this rhetorical question:

The US has been notorious about lecturing legitimate Eastern-Central European countries about their democracies (at least that was the case under the Bush and Obama administrations).

Which is interesting to say the least since even Romania seems to had a more legitimate election process compared to the recent US elections. Just so you know, Romania is in the middle of the second wave of the pandemic with a much higher death rate compared to the US - and mail-in voting was still prohibited. In fact, mail-in voting is prohibited in most of the countries because of historic election fraud issues all over the globe.

Therefore I don't see the reasoning why the US has been hell-bent on policing European countries' democracies while turning a blind eye on the abusive and inhumane dictatorship of the CCP. Not mentioning China's disastrous negligence in containing the Virus which indirectly caused the collapse of 219 countries' economy around the world and possibly changing our way of life forever.
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Old 12-09-2020, 06:46 AM
 
Location: By the sea, by the sea, by the beautiful sea
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Why is it even any of our business?

IMO it isn't, not that that's ever stopped us before from sticking our nose where it doesn't belong.
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Old 12-09-2020, 07:50 AM
 
Location: Buckeye, AZ
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Under Bush and Obama, the US was seen as the police of the world. This unfavourable image has been lessened under the Trump administration. The Biden administration is forecasted to continue the previous world-policing measures of Bush and Obama.

Let’s put the fact aside for a moment that Covid-19 has just brought the economy of 219 countries worldwide to its knees. China, emerging as the new superpower, still employs close to 400 Nazi Germany-style concentration camps (https://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-china-54277430).

The number of these so-called re-education camps are 40% more compared to previous estimates. Apple, Nike, Coca-Cola among many other big brands utilize the forced labor of these camps.

The US stepped up against Nazi Germany in WW2. Will the US step up against the inhumanity of the CCP? Will the big corporations – the same ones who condemned social injustice in America - condemn the crimes against humanity committed by China?
Trump still did nothing about it. Honestly what exactly could the US do about it? China is a trade partner you want especially for companies. You eliminate Chinese business and you eliminate suppliers and manufacturers and customers. You really want to hurt businesses?
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Old 12-09-2020, 08:26 AM
 
Location: NYC
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China actually seems to be dealing with Islamic extremism and extremists in a reasonable way-by protecting their own citizens. I doubt that they'd be any more welcoming of Nazis than Islamists, for some of the same reasons.

I despise what China is doing regarding trade and currency manipulation. But they seem to actually deal with extremism within their own nation, instead of allowing it to grow and spread.
So you despise china for trade practices you don't like, but you approve of concentration camps for 2 million Uyghurs. I see... Why should this not surprise me.
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Old 12-09-2020, 08:28 AM
 
Location: NMB, SC
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Originally Posted by Easternman View Post
Under Bush and Obama, the US was seen as the police of the world. This unfavourable image has been lessened under the Trump administration. The Biden administration is forecasted to continue the previous world-policing measures of Bush and Obama.

Let’s put the fact aside for a moment that Covid-19 has just brought the economy of 219 countries worldwide to its knees. China, emerging as the new superpower, still employs close to 400 Nazi Germany-style concentration camps (https://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-china-54277430).

The number of these so-called re-education camps are 40% more compared to previous estimates. Apple, Nike, Coca-Cola among many other big brands utilize the forced labor of these camps.

The US stepped up against Nazi Germany in WW2. Will the US step up against the inhumanity of the CCP? Will the big corporations – the same ones who condemned social injustice in America - condemn the crimes against humanity committed by China?
No that's the job of the UN.
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Old 12-09-2020, 08:42 AM
 
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OK, the USA better deal with its own massive, horrible problems first.

China runs China.
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Old 12-09-2020, 08:57 AM
 
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If Biden is the president, absolutely nothing will be done. That is what buying influence gets you.
Man, this post is positively dripping with irony.
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Old 12-09-2020, 08:58 AM
 
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Nazi concentration camps were not the reason US went to war against Germany.

Why? Their existence was not known at the time when the decision was made.

Did we do something about the Gulags in USSR, Mao's camps in China, or Pol Pot's camps Cambodia? No, we did not. We have been the world police since WWII, but it has its limits, and usually the limit is the absence of US incentive.
Good post, could not be better said.
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Old 12-09-2020, 10:10 AM
 
Location: Orange County, CA
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The way America is going, we might have to worry about "camps" in our own country!
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