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Old 12-16-2020, 08:24 AM
 
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you better run that by Mitch.
I heard the turtle has turned into a rino. LOL

 
Old 12-16-2020, 01:27 PM
 
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Most republicans don't think Trump is a failed leader. Most think he did a great job. Same for Bush in 2004. Difference being the independents and Democrats are more strongly against Trump than they were Bush so that is why he lost. Democrats really hate Trump, most did not like Bush. Two different things. I think that is the difference between the two elections.
Back in 2004, we had the "swift boating" against John Kerry. Bush himself managed to float above the fray. The Iraq war wasn't yet an unmitigated disaster, and the US economy was starting to recover from the dot-com bust and subsequent recession. Bush was viewed as a not particularly bright individual who stumbled into the highest office in the land. Though religiously doctrinaire, he wasn't abrasive about it, and his policies were relatively centrist. His most aggressive hypothetical venture was an attempt to privatize Social Security... an escapade that flopped, while still in the theoretical stage.

Back in 2004, Democrats were incensed at the swift-boating of Kerry, but didn't regard reelection of Bush as a tragedy or a national embarrassment. It was a setback from which society could and in due time would recover. Reelection of Trump in 2020, on the other hand, was indeed viewed as such a setback.
 
Old 12-16-2020, 01:36 PM
 
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I know this will be shocking to most people, and many will protest that it can not be true ... but I have held the opinion for a long time that most Trump supporters are confused Democrats.

They have mostly the same basic concerns as Democrats. We see that here all the time. Get passed the noise and the bluster, and that's what becomes apparent.
I have to agree many of Trump's policies were on the far left side of the DNC..i.e. tariffs / trade wars (this is a Big Labor issue).

Unfortunately many people are having problems with the US becoming a Minority/Majority country....mainly Boomers and older....younger people dont seem to have an issue with this.
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