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Old 12-23-2020, 10:21 PM
 
Location: Del Rio, TN
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I came across something tonight I though I'd share. There has been a lot of talk on our mainstream media concerning that having had Covid will not protect you from getting it again. And that even if you've had it, you NEED a vaccine. Here's something for you:

https://www.cnbc.com/.../coronavirus...-case-of-covid...

As of October 13-there was ONE confirmed case in the US of someone being infected a 2nd time. I'm looking for more current info, one article claimed 3 cases in the US of reinfection. Lets be conservative and round up to 10 cases-out of 19 million cases in the US. That means that 99.999947% that have been infected have not been re-infected. In over a year since the virus has been here. Seems like I read the actual vaccine was only 95% effective (which is still more than good enough for herd immunity).

Now-given this-why are those that already have been infected encouraged to take a vaccine with unknown long term effectiveness, no testing as to long term side effects and known short term ones?
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Old 12-23-2020, 10:25 PM
 
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Lots of things do not add up around Covid. New math too complicated for us dummies.
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Old 12-23-2020, 10:26 PM
 
Location: Portland, Oregon
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I think that person should stand aside for a month or two. There are documented cases of re-infection and unless the person had a serious case the strength of their antibodies is unknown. Bottom line, get the vax but don't stand at the head of the line.
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Old 12-23-2020, 10:29 PM
 
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Saying those that have had Covid should still get the vaccine is not "pushing them to get the vaccine."

I would say they shouldn't be a high priority, but if there is a chance immunity after getting it is not permanent, then it makes sense that everyone who can should eventually get vaccinated.
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Old 12-23-2020, 10:37 PM
 
Location: Del Rio, TN
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Saying those that have had Covid should still get the vaccine is not "pushing them to get the vaccine."

I would say they shouldn't be a high priority, but if there is a chance immunity after getting it is not permanent, then it makes sense that everyone who can should eventually get vaccinated.
There is a 99.999947% chance that they will not get it again without a vaccine. Why should they take a vaccine that is only 95% effective, who's long-term effectiveness is unknown, and that has side effects?
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Old 12-23-2020, 10:47 PM
 
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There is a 99.999947% chance that they will not get it again without a vaccine. Why should they take a vaccine that is only 95% effective, who's long-term effectiveness is unknown, and that has side effects?
Because your made up 99.99blahblahblah number is also of unknown long-term effectiveness. What if immunity from having it only lasts a year? We haven't had a year yet to find out. So if the long-term effectiveness of neither is known, why doesn't it make sense to have both if you have already caught Covid? Better chance that one of them will be effective long term if you do both.
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Old 12-23-2020, 10:49 PM
 
Location: Barrington
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Originally Posted by Toyman at Jewel Lake View Post
I came across something tonight I though I'd share. There has been a lot of talk on our mainstream media concerning that having had Covid will not protect you from getting it again. And that even if you've had it, you NEED a vaccine. Here's something for you:

https://www.cnbc.com/.../coronavirus...-case-of-covid...

As of October 13-there was ONE confirmed case in the US of someone being infected a 2nd time. I'm looking for more current info, one article claimed 3 cases in the US of reinfection. Lets be conservative and round up to 10 cases-out of 19 million cases in the US. That means that 99.999947% that have been infected have not been re-infected. In over a year since the virus has been here. Seems like I read the actual vaccine was only 95% effective (which is still more than good enough for herd immunity).

Now-given this-why are those that already have been infected encouraged to take a vaccine with unknown long term effectiveness, no testing as to long term side effects and known short term ones?
Covid-19 is a novel virus.

There is no certainty about the durability of immunity to reinfection. Might be months or years or lifetime.

Reportedly there are at least 12 strains of Covid because viruses mutate. There is no certainty immunity from one strain will provide indefinite immunity from all strains.

No one knows the durability of the vaccine. Might be months or year or a lifetime.

Covid-19 is a novel virus.
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Old 12-23-2020, 10:58 PM
 
Location: Georgia, USA
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Covid-19 is a novel virus.

There is no certainty about the durability of immunity to reinfection. Might be months or years or lifetime.

Reportedly there are at least 12 strains of Covid because viruses mutate. There is no certainty immunity from one strain will provide indefinite immunity from all strains.

No one knows the durability of the vaccine. Might be months or year or a lifetime.

Covid-19 is a novel virus.
All viruses mutate. So far no SARS-CoV-2 mutations are extensive enough to qualify as different strains. This is becoming a pet peeve of mine, and even some of the scientists are doing it. Mutated SARS-CoV-2 viruses should be called variants.

SARS and MERS are different strains, as are each of the four coronaviruses that cause colds in humans.

All of the SARS-CoV-2 variants are still SARS-CoV-2.

Of the new SARS-CoV-2 variants, as yet none are dissimilar enough to expect that antibodies to one will not protect against others. That might change if a critical mutation hits the spike protein that allows the virus to infect human cells.

No one knows yet how long immunity from either the infection or the vaccine will last. Experience thus far would not support it being as short as one or two months and suggests a minimum of six months for the infection. For the vaccine we have to wait and see.
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Old 12-23-2020, 11:04 PM
 
Location: A Nation Possessed
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Originally Posted by Toyman at Jewel Lake View Post
I came across something tonight I though I'd share. There has been a lot of talk on our mainstream media concerning that having had Covid will not protect you from getting it again. And that even if you've had it, you NEED a vaccine. Here's something for you:

https://www.cnbc.com/.../coronavirus...-case-of-covid...

As of October 13-there was ONE confirmed case in the US of someone being infected a 2nd time. I'm looking for more current info, one article claimed 3 cases in the US of reinfection. Lets be conservative and round up to 10 cases-out of 19 million cases in the US. That means that 99.999947% that have been infected have not been re-infected. In over a year since the virus has been here. Seems like I read the actual vaccine was only 95% effective (which is still more than good enough for herd immunity).

Now-given this-why are those that already have been infected encouraged to take a vaccine with unknown long term effectiveness, no testing as to long term side effects and known short term ones?
A blanket vaccine for a disease with a 0.14% conditional general mortality rate is ridiculous in the first place. The only place it would make any sense at all is for those who are statistically more in danger of dying from the disease (i.e. those over 70 with health issues). For anyone else, it is not only unnecessary, but highly suspicious. The numbers simply do not justify the response.
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Old 12-23-2020, 11:23 PM
 
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A blanket vaccine for a disease with a 0.14% conditional general mortality rate is ridiculous in the first place. The only place it would make any sense at all is for those who are statistically more in danger of dying from the disease (i.e. those over 70 with health issues). For anyone else, it is not only unnecessary, but highly suspicious. The numbers simply do not justify the response.
The current focus IS on the high risk (i.e. those over 70 with health issues) and first workers with the most exposure. No healthy 19 year old is going to get the vaccine anytime soon. But to eliminate the virus, eventually, a significant portion (I think 70%) of the population has to be immune. Even if they don't have a high chance of dying, they will continue to spread the virus forever unless they are vaccinated. And the 19 year olds will eventually grow up and become elderly and at high risk. So you'd have to eventually vaccinate them. If you do it soon (after the higher risk categories), there is a lot less of a chance the virus will exist decades down the road.

It's basic science, really. Shouldn't be anything political about it.
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