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I agree. This would be like marrying a couple that has had acted on temptation (be it sex, a kiss, or whatever) prior to marriage, or a women who is not a virgin, or someone who is divorced. It's okay to deny sinners based on your beliefs.
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There weren't years ago. And that's really the point. You have to keep pushing forward against discrimination because it doesn't go away by itself. People who want to discriminate have to be made uncomfortable doing it.
So in this matter are you pro being discriminatory against Christians?
You feel that Christians must ignore their beliefs and accept others lifestyles when it's against their Christian beliefs?
Would you feel the same if they had wanted to be married in a Muslim mosque and were turned away for no other reason than simply because Muslims don't accept their lifestyle?
Do you believe, and had proven your beliefs in past posts, that it is wrong for any businesses, wedding venues, cake shops, florists, social media and other types of businesses, to discriminate against those who have different beliefs, whether those beliefs are based on lifestyle, political, religious, etc.?
In this forum, I had stated a few times over the years that I think it's stupid to turn away customers. But, IF the business doing the turning away isn't one of a small monopoly then the customer should just suck it up and move on to the next business.
I've walked into many businesses that they either DIDN'T want my business or in ways, I felt like "I" DIDNT want to give them my business, so what's the big deal??!!
Is the country so "woke" that simply moving on isn't possible?? I know that's a stupid question since obviously we are now so "woke," it will destroy the country.
Btw, it's North Carolina!! What did you think was going to happen?? I use to live in North Carolina, one of the places where my ancestors where they were slaves and once you leave most of the urban areas, things are a little different. Many North Carolinians, especially in rural areas, are proud of their Christian heritage and values. With the large influx of "refugee" from New York, New Jersey and other liberal States, now making North Carolina home, these new comers need to chill and understand the values of the people and of that area BEFORE looking for a fight to change them from their belief systems.
There are ways in bringing change, but trying to light a fire, to destroy a business, along with the people, who didn't harm you, is wrong. And trying to force people into your views by shaming them may work in most larger cities, but I bet this community will rally-up to support this business... Since nobody, to include the Left, do not like to be "forced" into change.
Seriously, and this has happened numerous times, say I'd go into a bakery shop in San Francisco and ask for a cake decorated with a MAGA hat, what do you think they'd tell me?? If you're honest you know the answer, which is no and that I'd need to go elsewhere.
So why try to force a small business into your Value System?? It doesn't make sense. Just move on and I can gaurantee that you will find to right business for your wedding... And why hire a person to do something against their beliefs... Is that some form of leveraging power or superiority over them? If so, that's not going to end well.
If you ask me, I think the real purpose of this stunt was to gather support from the LGBT community for financial reasons... Like a free trip AND wedding in a progressive city.
The couple desiring marriage is free to partake of their vows anywhere they so choose and it is so much easier and happier in those venues that welcome and accommodate them cheerfully with open arms. Unwinnable battles are pointless.
What is a Bible based marriage? Didn't Abraham marry his half -sister? And then, as if that wasn't enough, didn't he marry her maid? So a Bible based marriage is between a man, his half sister and the help. And in Judges, did not they kill all the men and round up all the virgins? So a Bible based marriage is based on killing off the men in the neighboring town, rounding up the virgins and having a shotgun wedding.
But it gets better...King David, King Solomon...how many wives? Lets see...in King Solomon's case its 700 wives and another 300 or so columbines. Of course, the most homoerotic literature in the Bible is the relationship between David and Jonathan.
Sheshan didn't have sons so he gave his daughter to the help to have a son...now there is a nice Biblical marriage. I suppose these folks in NC would be fine with the father bringing in his daughter against her will to marry the yardman.
But does the Bible allow divorce? No. So in the end, there is no divorce, but you can have as many wives as you want.
And these folks are upholding Christian values? Intolerance is not a value nor is judging others.
What is a Bible based marriage? Didn't Abraham marry his half -sister? And then, as if that wasn't enough, didn't he marry her maid? So a Bible based marriage is between a man, his half sister and the help. And in Judges, did not they kill all the men and round up all the virgins? So a Bible based marriage is based on killing off the men in the neighboring town, rounding up the virgins and having a shotgun wedding.
But it gets better...King David, King Solomon...how many wives? Lets see...in King Solomon's case its 700 wives and another 300 or so columbines. Of course, the most homoerotic literature in the Bible is the relationship between David and Jonathan.
Sheshan didn't have sons so he gave his daughter to the help to have a son...now there is a nice Biblical marriage. I suppose these folks in NC would be fine with the father bringing in his daughter against her will to marry the yardman.
But does the Bible allow divorce. No. So in the end, there is no divorce, but you can have as many wives as you want.
And these folks are upholding Christian values? Intolerance is not a value nor is judging others.
Having the state become the official determiner of what a holy book says when there are thousands of religious denominations that disagree on many points of the same translation just seems wrong.
There is no protection legally from discrimination like this in NC. However, the NC's moratorium on localities passing their own legislation ended this year. So this might come up locally.
The owners can operate the venue as a hobby or even as a private club, but they would be operating under entirely different rules and if not followed could be considered a business and thus back to square one.
The couple has said they have no intention of pursing a legal remedy; instead, they will use it as an example for lobbying for legislative change.
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So in this matter are you pro being discriminatory against Christians?
You feel that Christians must ignore their beliefs and accept others lifestyles when it's against their Christian beliefs?
Would you feel the same if they had wanted to be married in a Muslim mosque and were turned away for no other reason than simply because Muslims don't accept their lifestyle?
Do you believe, and had proven your beliefs in past posts, that it is wrong for any businesses, wedding venues, cake shops, florists, social media and other types of businesses, to discriminate against those who have different beliefs, whether those beliefs are based on lifestyle, political, religious, etc.?
In this forum, I had stated a few times over the years that I think it's stupid to turn away customers. But, IF the business doing the turning away isn't one of a small monopoly then the customer should just suck it up and move on to the next business.
Well, that's a lot of questions. Let me start by saying I'm a devout Christian, the kind that loves others. The kind that says those who are without sin should cast the first stone.
I'm also the kind of Christian who knows Jesus Christ never said one word about gay people. That was old testament. The testament that said stuff about not working on the Sabbath, women not wearing the clothing of men, and not having leavened bread during Passover.
Additionally, I have a very close family member who is gay and I'm sick up to here with businesses discriminating against them and haters hating.
So. Yes. I think businesses who deal with the public should have to do business with every person who is pursuing a legal transaction, that they would happily provide for other customers, regardless of whether that business likes that customer personally or not.
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