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Old 12-25-2020, 03:02 PM
 
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Costra County officials were quite irate when a doctor used science and scientific studies to question the effectiveness of California lockdowns. One of the things he did was show the increase in other health problems from lockdowns while Covid still spread.

He has since been fired.

Thou shalt not question science with science.

Thou shalt not offer a differing thought process.

Diversity is to be worshipped unless it is diversity of thought.

https://www.westernjournal.com/docto...ckdown-orders/
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Old 12-25-2020, 03:08 PM
 
Location: Sector 001
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Sounds about right. This kind of reminds me of 9/11. Once they had the narrative in place, that's it. No questioning it can occur within the "establishment" ... this is the way history is going to write this pandemic in the historybooks, so deal with it.

Crap always flows downhill so if your superiors are barking out the orders and you don't follow... it's one of the flaws in the way the system is set up.. it can give people at the top more power than they should have.

I could use a lot of science to question the 52 genders philosophy too but I'd rather just live and let live on that issue. That's more a psychology issue.
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Old 12-25-2020, 03:15 PM
 
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Costra County officials were quite irate when a doctor used science and scientific studies to question the effectiveness of California lockdowns. One of the things he did was show the increase in other health problems from lockdowns while Covid still spread.

He has since been fired.

Thou shalt not question science with science.

Thou shalt not offer a differing thought process.

Diversity is to be worshipped unless it is diversity of thought.

https://www.westernjournal.com/docto...ckdown-orders/
Not surprising. Being in the socialist state of California, I was curious to see how other, normal states we’re doing in comparison to us. We have the strictest restrictions and are one of the worst in the nation for positive cases now. Florida, which has no restrictions, is doing better.

Los Angeles lost a lawsuit against restaurants because they couldn’t show that restaurants were the source of any significant outbreaks.

What happened to “science and data”?
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Old 12-25-2020, 04:02 PM
 
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Costra County officials were quite irate when a doctor used science and scientific studies to question the effectiveness of California lockdowns. One of the things he did was show the increase in other health problems from lockdowns while Covid still spread.

He has since been fired.

Thou shalt not question science with science.

Thou shalt not offer a differing thought process.

Diversity is to be worshipped unless it is diversity of thought.

https://www.westernjournal.com/docto...ckdown-orders/
This kind of thing seems to happen on a near daily basis. Anyone who questions the narrative is cancelled. Either fired, disciplined or censored. We’re not in a very good place overall in term of critical thinking or freedom of expression.
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Old 12-25-2020, 04:12 PM
 
Location: CO/UT/AZ/NM Catch me if you can!
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Costra County officials were quite irate when a doctor used science and scientific studies to question the effectiveness of California lockdowns. One of the things he did was show the increase in other health problems from lockdowns while Covid still spread.

He has since been fired.

Thou shalt not question science with science.

Thou shalt not offer a differing thought process.

Diversity is to be worshipped unless it is diversity of thought.

https://www.westernjournal.com/docto...ckdown-orders/
Wrong again, oh science haters. The doctor in question, Dr. Mike deBoisblanc made a number of misleading and just downright false statements using nothing more than his own anecdotal observations about what turns out to be a false correlation between a rise of suicides and the implementation of social distancing to help fight the steady increase in Coronavirus cases.

The good Doctor's personal misinformation campaign got kicked off during interviews with conservative "news" outfits including Fox. It should surprise no one that Fox immediately jumped on the story and ran with it without doing a single iota of fact checking. As it turns out, deBoisblanc has little to no contact with Coronavirus patients since he is trained as a surgeon, not an ICU or infectious disease specialist.

What makes this doctor's actions even worse is that he has not conducted a single valid scientific study in regard to his false assertions about suicide rates and COVID. He hasn't even conducted an invalid study because he carried out no research into this subject what-so-ever before sending a hysterical letter to hospital authorities filled with his false claims.

In an interview with Buzzfeed News this quack doctor admitted his comment about the hospital seeing "a year's worth of suicide attempts in the last four weeks" was inaccurate. He added that at the time he didn't know what the true numbers were. Many of his other comments, which compared the number of deaths from COVID-19 to suicides, "were taken a bit out of context," he said.

Taken a BIT out of context? Unfortunately, the damage has now been done and conservatives who feel that politicians can cure epidemics by ramping up outrageous lies on their twitter feeds consider the right wing misinformation campaign to be vindicated.

As usual, stupid is as stupid does.
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Old 12-25-2020, 04:16 PM
 
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I wonder if there is more to the story. It appears the doctor wrote about this back in May, citing the high suicide rate:

https://nypost.com/2020/05/24/califo...vid-19-doctor/

At the time, his county, Contra Costa, had 36 deaths from the virus.

As of today, 321 deaths, 13 today:

https://www.latimes.com/projects/cal...-costa-county/

ICU availability is below 15 percent.

Added: see the post above
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Old 12-25-2020, 04:19 PM
 
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Not surprising. Being in the socialist state of California, I was curious to see how other, normal states we’re doing in comparison to us. We have the strictest restrictions and are one of the worst in the nation for positive cases now. Florida, which has no restrictions, is doing better.

Los Angeles lost a lawsuit against restaurants because they couldn’t show that restaurants were the source of any significant outbreaks.

What happened to “science and data”?
I found an interesting pattern that no one is talking about.
LA hospital patients with covid....72% of them are Hispanic

Remember El Paso had a huge surge a while back...majority Hispanic population..82%
Remember the NYC surge .... 62% of hospitalized were Hispanic


Blacks and Hispanics are more susceptible to being hospitalized due to obesity and high blood pressure among them.

But I guess it might be deemed racist to point that out.
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Old 12-25-2020, 04:30 PM
 
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I found an interesting pattern that no one is talking about.
LA hospital patients with covid....72% of them are Hispanic

Remember El Paso had a huge surge a while back...majority Hispanic population..82%
Remember the NYC surge .... 62% of hospitalized were Hispanic


Blacks and Hispanics are more susceptible to being hospitalized due to obesity and high blood pressure among them.

But I guess it might be deemed racist to point that out.
Vitamin D deficiency has also been strongly associated with poor covid outcomes. Black and Hispanic populations have much higher prevalence of vitamin D deficiency in addition to the health factors you listed above.
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Old 12-25-2020, 04:59 PM
 
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We're dealing with the modern day equivalent of the Catholic church of the middle ages and their "scientists." What comes next is the inquisition.
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Old 12-25-2020, 05:25 PM
 
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Wrong again, oh science haters. The doctor in question, Dr. Mike deBoisblanc made a number of misleading and just downright false statements using nothing more than his own anecdotal observations about what turns out to be a false correlation between a rise of suicides and the implementation of social distancing to help fight the steady increase in Coronavirus cases.

The good Doctor's personal misinformation campaign got kicked off during interviews with conservative "news" outfits including Fox. It should surprise no one that Fox immediately jumped on the story and ran with it without doing a single iota of fact checking. As it turns out, deBoisblanc has little to no contact with Coronavirus patients since he is trained as a surgeon, not an ICU or infectious disease specialist.

What makes this doctor's actions even worse is that he has not conducted a single valid scientific study in regard to his false assertions about suicide rates and COVID. He hasn't even conducted an invalid study because he carried out no research into this subject what-so-ever before sending a hysterical letter to hospital authorities filled with his false claims.

In an interview with Buzzfeed News this quack doctor admitted his comment about the hospital seeing "a year's worth of suicide attempts in the last four weeks" was inaccurate. He added that at the time he didn't know what the true numbers were. Many of his other comments, which compared the number of deaths from COVID-19 to suicides, "were taken a bit out of context," he said.

Taken a BIT out of context? Unfortunately, the damage has now been done and conservatives who feel that politicians can cure epidemics by ramping up outrageous lies on their twitter feeds consider the right wing misinformation campaign to be vindicated.

As usual, stupid is as stupid does.
Fair, but Fauci has made false statements and is a hero.
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