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Old 01-23-2021, 04:31 PM
 
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Been seeing this circulating on Twitter.


"Kalief Browder allegedly stole a backpack at 16, spent 3 yrs at Riker's Island without trial.

Riley Williams stole a laptop from Speaker Pelosi's office and tried selling it the Russians. She was released to her mother

There are two justice systems in America "

Kaleif Browder and Riley Williams:

https://images.app.goo.gl/SACDm5Jod1PAEYhLA

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Old 01-23-2021, 04:47 PM
 
Location: NC
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Been seeing this circulating on Twitter.


"Kalief Browder allegedly stole a backpack at 16, spent 3 yrs at Riker's Island without trial.

Riley Williams stole a laptop from Speaker Pelosi's office and tried selling it the Russians. She was released to her mother

There are two justice systems in America "

Kaleif Browder and Riley Williams:

https://images.app.goo.gl/SACDm5Jod1PAEYhLA
I am sure there will be all sorts of excuses made for why there is such a disparity in the treatment of the two. It's shameful.
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Old 01-23-2021, 04:47 PM
 
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This is going to get fun...
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Old 01-23-2021, 04:51 PM
 
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Hard to compare the 2. One was pre bail reform and one was post bail reform. If you still want to compare, it seems to be more of a wealth privledge. Wealthier people have enough money to post bail and to afford better lawyers.
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Old 01-23-2021, 05:09 PM
 
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I want to know what happened to Mr. Browder’s right to a speedy trial - but that is a topic for another thread.

Anyone with a soul would agree that what happened to him was appalling. It should be noted that Mr. Browder’s case was used by Rand Paul, Bill DeBlassio, and others as an example of why bail reform was needed. Riley Williams got to go home after 3 days in part because Mr. Browder spent 3 years at Rikers. Also, she’s facing a federal crime, his was state.

It not white privilege; it’s jurisdiction privilege, post reform privilege, and most likely wealth privilege
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Old 01-23-2021, 05:10 PM
 
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Been seeing this circulating on Twitter.


"Kalief Browder allegedly stole a backpack at 16, spent 3 yrs at Riker's Island without trial.

Riley Williams stole a laptop from Speaker Pelosi's office and tried selling it the Russians. She was released to her mother

There are two justice systems in America "

Kaleif Browder and Riley Williams:

https://images.app.goo.gl/SACDm5Jod1PAEYhLA
To argue there are two justice systems in America you can't do it by looking at two cases of very different circumstances and 11 years apart

The proper way to analyze it would be to look at 50 thefts in NYC by black men in 2010 and then 50 thefts in NYC by done by white men

Then compare the bail and sentencing

Kalief Browder was not released because he was on probation. At his arraignment, he was charged with second-degree robbery and bail was set at $10,000; with a bail bondsman, the amount needed was $900. Browder's family could not raise this amount and borrowed money from a neighbor. When his family met with a bail bondsman to post his bail, they were told that, since he was on probation from his prior felony conviction, his probation officer had placed a probation violation hold on him so posting bail would not get him released from jail anyway.


In 2009, Browder was charged with third-degree grand larceny. Police testified that he had crashed a stolen bakery truck into a stationary car while joyriding. At the age of 16, he was charged as an adult, which conformed to state law at the time. He pleaded guilty but later said he was only a bystander. Browder was registered as a youthful offender and placed on probation

On May 15, 2010, police apprehended Browder and a friend on Arthur Avenue near East 186th Street in the Belmont section of the Bronx. Browder said he was going home from a party. He thought the police were carrying out a routine stop-and-frisk, a police procedure he had undergone on a number of occasions.[6]

Police officers were responding to a 9-1-1 call placed by Roberto Bautista, a Mexican immigrant, about the theft of a backpack containing a camera, $700, a credit card, and an iPod Touch. Bautista had said, "Two male black guys ... they took my brother's book bag."[4] Browder told the attending police officers, "I did not rob anyone, you can check my pockets."[6] The police searched Browder but they did not find the backpack.[4] Bautista, who was sitting in the back seat of a police car, identified Browder and his friend as the thieves. He said the theft had occurred two weeks earlier. Bautista's testimony of the date of the theft varied between interviews, as well as other aspects of his story. Initially, Bautista implied that the robbery occurred the night of the 9-1-1 call, but upon questioning by officers at the scene, he stated that the robbery had occurred two weeks prior. At the scene, Bautista also implied after questioning that someone had merely "tried" to rob him and may not have succeeded. Furthermore, on the initial police report filed after the arrest, Bautista indicated the robbery had occurred “on or about May 2,” but Bautista later told a detective that it happened on May 8.

More on the case here

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kalief_Browder
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Old 01-23-2021, 06:50 PM
 
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Maybe the laptop thief found naked pictures of Pelosi on the laptop and the judge decided she was punished enough.
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Old 01-23-2021, 07:22 PM
 
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"Kalief Browder allegedly stole a backpack at 16, spent 3 yrs at Riker's Island without trial.

Riley Williams stole a laptop from Speaker Pelosi's office and tried selling it the Russians. She was released to her mother
These individuals were treated differently by the justice system = a logical inference

There are two justice systems in America = not a logical inference
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Old 01-23-2021, 07:26 PM
 
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Because there are no white people in prison right now?
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Old 01-23-2021, 07:45 PM
 
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If there's any "privilege" between these cases and I'm not saying there's is, it'd be female privilege. Females are usually treated easier by the justice systems. Blm rioters and looters in many cases were treated easy and their charges dropped.
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