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Old 01-27-2021, 10:56 AM
 
Location: Minneapolis
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I am being real, most of us no longer recognize America today, so why don't the libs just either toss out the constitution or rewrite so it fits into their agenda? As a country we need to forward but they seem to be totally stuck looking backward, away from our solid foundation.
When you say "most of us" you are not talking about most Americans but rather the minority of Americans who are old, white right wingers. This country has been constantly changing since it began. For example the America of the Reagan era wasn't the long standing traditional America, it was a neotraditionalist counter revolution that ended the era of the New Deal. FDR was probably more liberal than any president since.

Anyway, it has long been considered that the equal protection clause of the 14th amendment is to protect from racial discrimination, so yes, equality is in the constitution.
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Old 01-27-2021, 10:59 AM
 
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No it's not in the Constitution. However, the Declaration of Independence does say,



Perhaps it's a reference to that?
The Declaration is not a legal document as the Constitution is, and isn't talking about race and sex. What, you think Thomas Jefferson justification of independence was King George wasn't affording the colonies enough racial and gender equality? Besides it doesn't say anything about equality or outcomes but of certain Creator given unalienable rights.
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Old 01-27-2021, 11:03 AM
 
Location: King County, WA
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I am being real, most of us no longer recognize America today, so why don't the libs just either toss out the constitution or rewrite so it fits into their agenda? As a country we need to forward but they seem to be totally stuck looking backward, away from our solid foundation.
As a moderate I have to say this is feeling more and more true of both extremes. We're in for a period of political instability, it appears, and the days of our democracy may be numbered.
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Old 01-27-2021, 11:06 AM
 
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When you say "most of us" you are not talking about most Americans but rather the minority of Americans who are old, white right wingers. This country has been constantly changing since it began. For example the America of the Reagan era wasn't the long standing traditional America, it was a neotraditionalist counter revolution that ended the era of the New Deal. FDR was probably more liberal than any president since.

Anyway, it has long been considered that the equal protection clause of the 14th amendment is to protect from racial discrimination, so yes, equality is in the constitution.

First of all FDR was in the office from 1933 to 1945.

The "New Deal" had nothing to do with the "civil rights" movement that came only in the 60ies.

That's number one.

And number two - "old white right wingers" are descendants of people who created this country.

Don't expect them to give up THEIR country without the fight.
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Old 01-27-2021, 11:08 AM
 
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Good question, since it involves white Americans as well.
They are not guaranteed a "right to equality of outcome" either.
Exactly, using the same criteria of equal outcomes, one can make the same argument whites don't have equal outcomes to Asians. It would be just as much violating the Constitution's 14th amendment and the Civil Rights Act and communist for the government to try to make white outcomes equal to Asian's as it would be to make black, Hispanic etc. outcomes equal to white outcomes.
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Old 01-27-2021, 11:09 AM
 
Location: the very edge of the continent
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When you say "most of us" you are not talking about most Americans but rather the minority of Americans who are old, white right wingers. This country has been constantly changing since it began. For example the America of the Reagan era wasn't the long standing traditional America, it was a neotraditionalist counter revolution that ended the era of the New Deal. FDR was probably more liberal than any president since.

Anyway, it has long been considered that the equal protection clause of the 14th amendment is to protect from racial discrimination, so yes, equality is in the constitution.
Then why the racial discrimination against admitting Asians and Whites in selective enrollment K-12 public schools (e.g., TJ in Fairfax County) and selective colleges/universities, both public and private, that take Federal funding (research grants, other Federal programs, student loans, etc.)?
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Old 01-27-2021, 11:09 AM
 
Location: Toronto
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Something something We hold these truths to be self-evident, something something that all men are created equal, something something that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, something something that among these are Life, Liberty and the Pursuit of Happiness.

Or does that not count?
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Old 01-27-2021, 11:13 AM
 
Location: Minneapolis
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First of all FDR was in the office from 1933 to 1945.

The "New Deal" had nothing to do with the "civil rights" movement that came only in the 60ies.

That's number one.

And number two - "old white right wingers" are descendants of people who created this country.

Don't expect them to give up THEIR country without the fight.
It doesn't matter who you are descended from. Most of the white people in the south are also descended from traitors.
America belongs to the people who live in it. You don't get any special rights because your family has been here for a long time. It isn't "their" country. That is the problem. Right wing white people think they are special snow flakes who should have more power than anyone else because it is somehow "theirs".

Some of my ancestors came to Massachusetts in the Winthrop fleet of 1630, fought in the revolution and the civil war. Personally I think most of you have no idea what liberty and democracy really mean. Now that you are outnumbered you want to put an end to democracy. We saw that on January 6th.

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Old 01-27-2021, 11:15 AM
 
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Liberals don't believe that differences in racial outcomes are caused by differences in effort.
You think that differences in outcomes are always the result of differences in effort????
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Old 01-27-2021, 11:15 AM
 
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The Declaration is not a legal document as the Constitution is, and isn't talking about race and sex. What, you think Thomas Jefferson justification of independence was King George wasn't affording the colonies enough racial and gender equality? Besides it doesn't say anything about equality or outcomes but of certain Creator given unalienable rights.
Let me be blunt here;

"We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights,"

refers to the abolition of the belief that people are BORN UNEQUAL - i.e. divided into the class of "commoners" and aristocracy.
An important issue, particularly when we are talking about such country as England, where the "founding fathers" ( or their ancestors) came from.
So this "equality" stated in Constitution was not referring to "racial equality" - not really.
After all, the "founding fathers" were all white and all English.
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