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I paid attention to what you said, I just don't agree with it. You are only you. You don't get any credit for what your ancestors did. .
To the contrary, Leftists give all white people "credit" for slavery, right? Even the tens (hundreds??) of millions of us who are descended from people who had nothing to do with the practice, right?
If we get "credit" for the horrible things a few white people did 250 years ago, then we sure as **** should get credit for all the amazing things our race has contributed to humanity.
Which is where we are now. Right back where we started with a political class, their connected elite and bureaucracy that think they're ROYALTY.
Yeah I was thinking the same thing. Democrat leaders talk and act like they and their supporters are royalty with an ordained right to dictate to the rest of us.
So a five page thread attacking the intellectual and legal base for equality, which tacitly justifies racism without saying the quiet part out loud, is as city-data as it gets. Stormfront for polite people.
Is this true?
The argument in this thread is over what constitutes equality.
Equality in the eye of the law? Equality of access to opportunities. Or equality of outcome? All are quite distinct forms of equality. What does the Constitution promote?
Is anyone on this thread saying people shouldn't be equal in the eyes of the law? No.
Are there people arguing over whether equality should be defined by equality of outcome? Yes.
A problem is what exactly constitutes equality of outcome?
The case for racial equity is based on applying the standards of outcome two two very large demographics, white and black Americans. While one demographic is clearly better off, within those demographics are huge ranges of outcomes, from very poor whites to very rich whites, and ditto for black Americans. So what exactly is the equity we are seeking?
The American Constitution, as I understand it, and certainly is backed by extensive analysis of the American Founding Fathers and the application of the Constitution's principles in the 200 years since it was created, is that equality in in the United States is not and has never been about equality of outcome. The Founding Fathers were distinctly aware that men were not by nature equal, some are more accomplished, more talented, more intelligent than others.
Equality, as defined by the Constitution was equality of the law, that the law should not differentiate among Americans. The major progressive movements for the 19th and up till the 1960s was about ensuring the law treated all Americans equally and extending that protection to more and more different groups of people (different faiths, different races, different gender, and recently, different sexuality).
More problematic is how we should treat equality of access to opportunities. The Founding Fathers were clear that they wanted a society where everyone had equal access, but it would be up to each person to take advantage of the access. But what are the accesses? Some things are commonly defined, such as individual freedoms of speech, assembly, press, religion and so forth, all expressions of free will and protected by the Constitution. Few dispute these (although that does seem to be changing too in the name of equity). We have now broadened access to include things like public education. The disagreement now becomes more over what else "access" should also include, and it's much more complicated because we run into the problem of merit too.
Equality of outcome is not something that was ever a concern of the Constitution as it would be distinctly against the spirit of the Constitution. I daresay the progressive left is losing sight of the difference between equality of outcome and equality of access. The only societies to genuinely attempt to introduce a standard equality of outcome were the totalitarian states.
Yes it is true. Most of the people who post on this forum are monsters, hateful people and half senile relics from another era. (I assume there are some good people too.)
It appears to be a thing in right wing America to hint around the edges of the bigoted things they believe without coming right out and saying it. But if you spend enough time on this forum you see all of these people slip up from time to time and post what they really think. This forum is full of cowards who believe things that they won't really come out and say, but only hint at. I don't really understand it. I am a socialist, which is supposedly a shameful thing to be, but I will wear that proudly. While all the white power people here just slink around in the shadows, pretending they are something other than what they really are.
From the concept of unalienable rights they are but everyone is different. If say my older brother is more successful than me it doesn't mean I wasn't born equal or that he held me back, and there must be an intervention.
I paid attention to what you said, I just don't agree with it. You are only you. You don't get any credit for what your ancestors did.
My ancestors have nothing to do with America)))
I am just a stranger in a strange land, I look at things from historic point of view, and state here what I see, objectively speaking.
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The white people who live in America today did not build America, a bunch of dead people did.
The "white people who live in America today" - ( well part of them) are the direct descendants of those white people that built this country. They share the beliefs and spirit of their ancestors, as much as their skin color.
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Right wingers are just living in this country like the rest of us. They don't have any special rights.
The living get to define what America is, not the dead of the past. That is how it has always been. It is why America becomes a different country with every new generation.
As long as the "original owners of the country" let it slide with every new generation.
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If living Americans want to turn this into a left wing country then that is what it is going to be.
The "right wingers" are still *living* as well, just in case you didn't notice.
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The previous generations don't get a vote. FDR tried to turn America into a social democracy and failed, the left is rising because there is a new generation that wants to try again, because the current system isn't giving them good lives.
Oh, so it's all about "social democracy" now?
How come POC ( Blacks in particular) were not voting for Sanders then?
He is a Social Democrat, not Biden who is a Corporate democrat.
Big difference, but since you obviously don't understand any of it, you've been duped and used as usual by someone else in the "left wing" for their own purposes.
Yes it is true. Most of the people who post on this forum are monsters, hateful people and half senile relics from another era. (I assume there are some good people too.)
It appears to be a thing in right wing America to hint around the edges of the bigoted things they believe without coming right out and saying it. But if you spend enough time on this forum you see all of these people slip up from time to time and post what they really think. This forum is full of cowards who believe things that they won't really come out and say, but only hint at. I don't really understand it. I am a socialist, which is supposedly a shameful thing to be, but I will wear that proudly. While all the white power people here just slink around in the shadows, pretending they are something other than what they really are.
Yes it is true. Most of the people who post on this forum are monsters, hateful people and half senile relics from another era. (I assume there are some good people too.)
It appears to be a thing in right wing America to hint around the edges of the bigoted things they believe without coming right out and saying it. But if you spend enough time on this forum you see all of these people slip up from time to time and post what they really think. This forum is full of cowards who believe things that they won't really come out and say, but only hint at. I don't really understand it. I am a socialist, which is supposedly a shameful thing to be, but I will wear that proudly. While all the white power people here just slink around in the shadows, pretending they are something other than what they really are.
"Truth is the new hate speech".
We can't say what needs to be said, lest Fascists cancel us out.
It's rich for you to claim we are "monsters". Projection, as usual.
I notice you can't refute my point about you blaming all white people for slavery, right? Of course you can't.
You want to give all white people today "credit" for slavery, then you **** well better give us credit for all the civilization that we have created.
Liberals don't believe that differences in racial outcomes are caused by differences in effort.
It's even bigger than that. Liberals don't include effort as a factor in outcome for everyone except white males. By definition, liberals are racist, sexist, and homophobic. They believe that PoCs, women, and homosexuals are inferior to heterosexual white men and therefore need special privileges to achieve the same outcomes. It's disgusting, and the fact that apparently 80 million Biden voters are OK with blatant racism, sexism, and homophobia is appalling beyond words.
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