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Old 01-31-2021, 09:14 AM
 
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It has been 3 months and a trump supporter has never been willing to explain why trumps lawyers who can be disbarred for lying during legal proceedings have refused to allege electoral fraud. It’s a massive hole in their argument if his own lawyers won’t plead his case.
Are trump supporters lying or delusional?
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Old 01-31-2021, 09:20 AM
 
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It has been 3 months and a trump supporter has never been willing to explain why trumps lawyers who can be disbarred for lying during legal proceedings have refused to allege electoral fraud. It’s a massive hole in their argument if his own lawyers won’t plead his case.
Are trump supporters lying or delusional?
Some are lying but most are delusional.
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Old 01-31-2021, 09:22 AM
 
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I know our Nation's Capitol...the citadel of American of Democracy was stormed and desecrated and Trump has been Impeached for inciting this insurrection. Inciting violence needs to be banned and he hasn't changed one iota since the capitol was stormed. So I am glad we are not seeing more needless loss of life.


This impeachment and they way it was carried out does not mean jack.
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Old 01-31-2021, 09:23 AM
 
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Yes. Anyone would jump at the chance! haha

Attorneys routinely drop clients who refuse to "cooperate" with their defense counsel, and that's certainly what Trump is doing.
74 1/2 years old and he’s still a spoiled kid to whom no one ever said no.
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Old 01-31-2021, 09:31 AM
 
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Trumps supporters ignore that his lawyers have denied there was fraud in open court where they could be sanctioned For lying. Even Rudy Giuliani

Attorney General William Barr said in an interview Tuesday that the Justice Department has uncovered no evidence of widespread voter fraud that would tip the results of the presidential election, a comment directly undercutting allegations being made by President Donald Trump and his legal team.
“To date, we have not seen fraud on a scale that could have affected a different outcome in the election,” Barr told the Associated Press


3rd circuit court of appeals
The court said it would not issue an injunction to undo the certification because “the Campaign’s claims have no merit.”

“The number of ballots it specifically challenges is far smaller than the roughly 81,000-vote margin of victory. And it never claims fraud or that any votes were cast by illegal voters,” the court found.

Republican senator Sasse statement

“And based on what I’ve read in their filings, when Trump campaign lawyers have stood before courts under oath, they have repeatedly refused to actually allege grand fraud –because there are legal consequences for lying to judges,"

Chris Christie who was in the Oval Office helping trump prepare for the debates said
"They allege fraud outside the courtroom, but inside the courtroom they don't plead fraud and they don't argue fraud.

Trump RNC lawyer in Arizona

attorney Kory Langhofer stressed the plaintiffs were "not alleging fraud" or "that anyone is stealing the election" — simply raising concerns about a "limited number of cases" involving "good faith errors."

Giuliani in Pennsylvania

And when Brann pressed Giuliani to explain why none of the specific legal claims in the suit are based on voter fraud, the president’s lawyer admitted the campaign isn’t pleading voter fraud at all. Later, Brann asked whether he should apply a higher legal standard of “strict scrutiny” to the case, which is required when fraud is alleged.

“If we had alleged fraud, then yes, but this is not a fraud case,” Giuliani said quickly.

Trump campaign lawyer Goldstein in Pennsylvania

“In your petition, which is right before me — and I read it several times — you don’t claim that any electors or the Board of the County were guilty of fraud, correct?” asked the judge. “That’s correct?”

“Your Honor, accusing people of fraud is a pretty big step,” Goldstein replied. “And it is rare that I call somebody a liar, and I am not calling the Board of the DNC or anybody else involved in this a liar. Everybody is coming to this with good faith. The DNC is coming with good faith. We’re all just trying to get an election done. We think these were a mistake, but we think they are a fatal mistake, and these ballots ought not be counted.”


“I understand,” he told Goldstein. “I am asking you a specific question, and I am looking for a specific answer. Are you claiming that there is any fraud in connection with these 592 disputed ballots?”

“To my knowledge at present, no,” Goldstein said.

“Are you claiming that there is any undue or improper influence upon the elector with respect to these 592 ballots,” queried the judge.

“To my knowledge at present, no,” was Gold
If Trump stopped asserting election fraud then how many people don’t like him would be staring him in the face....and.....with his fragile ego.....would he even be able to cope with that. Meanwhile...essentially...five people died because of his personal issues.
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Old 01-31-2021, 09:35 AM
 
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Definitely not 10.
Only 5 wanted the impeachment trial to go ahead....
And Trump has made it clear that he'll be campaigning in the 2022 midterms, so he's a factor, and most Senators will be too afraid to cross him and his gigantic base.
Those cowards should all be ‘primaried’ by other Republicans with spines.
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Old 01-31-2021, 09:39 AM
 
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It’s impossible to verify the fiction that CNN spews. That’s why it’s fiction. It ain’t real.
Boy this aged like unpasteurized milk left out on a hot summer day.

Although most in the GOP have chosen party over country, I am still hopeful for Trump to be our nation’s first pro se litigant in an impeachment trial.
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Old 01-31-2021, 09:43 AM
 
Location: Chicago area
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That's bad news. Trump will need to be given sufficient time to assemble a defense team and decide on witnesses. This could end up being the biggest news story for the whole year. Months long trial when Repubs already told the Dems to prepare for another dose of Trump victories. Fun days ahead.
I wonder if it isn't just another stall tactic on Trump's part to lose his legal team to kick the can and try to get the senate to derail Biden's agendas? Trump loves to stall and stall and stall.

We already know what the senate is going to do. We've seen this playbook before.

Trump losing his legal team. Oh I don't know. Maybe Trump could release the Kraken. Oh wait, didn't he already do that? It worked so well last time.
Trump victory? He's a washed up twice impeached orange has been. What victory?
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Old 01-31-2021, 10:18 AM
 
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Five of Trump's impeachment defense attorneys leave team less than two weeks before trial

They probably don't want being involved with Trump's defense on their resume...

I hear it's bad for business.
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Old 01-31-2021, 10:22 AM
 
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Looks like they had issues in their past - maybe they didn't want it to be spread around, since they would be scrutinized?

Tax liens, racist language etc.
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