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Old 02-13-2021, 11:40 AM
 
Location: Unperson Everyman Land
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But instead of gerrymandering and rigging the election. They provided better access to everyone. Giving every citizen a chance to vote? The nerve!
Get out the vote efforts are almost always targeted to get out apathetic voters that can be expected to vote for the "get out the vote" organization's preferred candidate, so let's not pretend it's anything else.
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Old 02-13-2021, 07:41 PM
 
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“These same conditions render the critique of such tolerance abstract and academic, and the proposition that the balance between tolerance toward the Right and toward the Left would have to be radically redressed in order to restore the liberating function of tolerance becomes only an unrealistic speculation. Indeed, such a redressing seems to be tantamount to the establishment of a "right of resistance" to the point of subversion. There is not, there cannot be any such right for any group or individual against a constitutional government sustained by a majority of the population. But I believe that there is a "natural right" of resistance for oppressed and overpowered minorities to use extralegal means if the legal ones have proved to be inadequate. Law and order are always and everywhere the law and order which protect the established hierarchy; it is nonsensical to invoke the absolute authority of this law and this order against those who suffer from it and struggle against it--not for personal advantages and revenge, but for their share of humanity.”

https://www.marcuse.org/herbert/publ...-fulltext.html

The strangest part is that Marcuse was arguing from the POV from someone in the mid-60’s America where civil rights act of 1964 had just been passed. If his words are to be believed today the minorities are those on the right, not the left. All of the institutions in America are controlled by the left. From government to academia to unions to media to tech. Should the right use extralegal means to subvert the system? The American political system is in an asymmetric war where one group thinks it will all pass by while the other has labeled them domestic terrorist unredemable and not worthy of having a voice in society. One group has declared war, the other is hoping the wolves pass by.

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Old 02-13-2021, 07:54 PM
 
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The article specifically said they PREVENTED information form reaching voters, and making it easier to vote means CHANGING THE RULES.

So I am right about what the article says.
And this:

“There was a conspiracy unfolding behind the scenes, one that both curtailed the protests and coordinated the resistance from CEOs.”

So, this shadowy cabal of left wing activist, never-Trumpers, CEOs (which the left has a huge crush on *snickers*), unions, media and everyone but lawmakers actually had control over the billions of dollars of damage done to both business and Federal infrastructure and also over the entire narrative being fed to the US public. They had control over whether their businesses, having been ravaged by the pandemic, would be looted for “racial justice.” They had control over bureaucrats who subverted the constitutional process related to election laws bypassing state legislatures, at least in states with complicit coconspirators in a secretive campaign to “fortify” (i.e. rig the election).

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Old 02-13-2021, 08:03 PM
 
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There has been no credible evidence of rigging.
You're denying that election rules were changed?

Time just printed an article in which members of a "cabal" said they changed the rules and hired "armies" of anti-Trump poll workers (!) and hid facts from the voters and were planning to use violence if necessary to make sure Trump didn't win

That's rigging the election.
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Old 02-13-2021, 08:04 PM
 
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Oh, the irony ...


You'd think that would be the first thing folks would do before commenting on the article, wouldn't you? *sigh*
When you have no facts pound the table. Everyone has read the article so you can drop the idea that somehow you’re specially anointed as the sole person that has read the article and everyone else has seemingly decided to comment on something they only saw headlines to. This isn’t Facebook’s comments section.
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Old 02-13-2021, 08:07 PM
 
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The definition of FORTIFY is:
provide (a place) with defensive works as protection against attack.
Since when is fortifying our elections against an attack a bad thing?
What this thread really is about is preventing people from voting.
There was no attack to protect against. And every change to the election rules made an attack more likely to succeed. So, no, they were not "fortifying the election". They were doing exactly the opposite in order to ensure the "proper outcome".
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Old 02-13-2021, 08:09 PM
 
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Sometimes you have to burn the democracy to save it.
Kind of reminds me of that "pre-emptive" war in Iraq to save democracy.
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Old 02-13-2021, 08:09 PM
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The Secret History of the Shadow Campaign That Saved the 2020 Election
That’s why the participants want the secret history of the 2020 election told, even though it sounds like a paranoid fever dream–a well-funded cabal of powerful people, ranging across industries and ideologies, working together behind the scenes to influence perceptions, change rules and laws, steer media coverage and control the flow of information. They were not rigging the election; they were fortifying it. And they believe the public needs to understand the system’s fragility in order to ensure that democracy in America endures.
Funny statement coming from a bunch of Nazis.
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Old 02-14-2021, 12:33 PM
 
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Funny statement coming from a bunch of Nazis.
Well said!! Time Magazine those politically affiliated with them are a bunch of Nazis!!

The Left certain has played the scenario of the Burning of the Reichstag to a T. After endlessly demonizing their political enemies, they used the burning of the Germany capitol building -- the Reichstag -- as an excuse to persecute Communists, Jews and everyone who dared stand against them. The Nazis planned that all along and were just waiting for any excuse to drop the hammer and grab absolute power. Welcome to 2021!! Six hours of confused disorganized violence is being used as the excuse to institute yet another authoritarian regime. Ironically, it's "The Democratic Party" doing it. The US Capitol is occupied by a military force that is actively being vetted to ensure absolute loyalty to the authoritarian regime. You even have an old useless man for a figurehead. In Germany it was Hindenburg. In the USA it's Creepy Ole Joe Biden. The parallels are pretty remarkable.

The only thing that the Nazis couldn't do in their day: Call everyone else Nazis to keep the focus on others while they slowing consolidated absolute power. The word "Nazi" didn't mean anything yet. They had to settle for calling them other names.
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Old 02-14-2021, 01:58 PM
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Exactly.
These scumbags are pulling all their moves straight from the Nazi playbook. It’s quite frightening.
It’s also quite baffling how stupid people are to fall for their crap and not realize what’s going on.
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