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Old 02-17-2021, 08:51 AM
 
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unless you were alive back then to actually see it.... its all conjecture.
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Old 02-17-2021, 09:06 AM
 
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So the prevailing narrative, that an especially brutal form of slavery was practiced in the United Sates, is wrong. Far more African slaves were brought to Latin America, and they were treated far worse there. Blacks brought to the U.S.A. had more opportunity to be fruitful and multiply, and their descendants have thrived.
This doesn't prove that America didn't have an exceptionally brutal form of slavery. When people say that it's in comparison to West African Slavery, Greek Slavery, Viking Slavery, Roman Slavery...

American slavery fell under a racial Slavery which was considered more extreme due to it's generational effect. Just because others using the same chattel slavery and were more extreme doesn't mean American slavery wasn't brutal. Even Arab Slavery which was brutal in it's own way had softer parts to it. For example slaves there were largely cooks and concubines and work in the service sector rather than back-breaking work, and their wasn't a racial component hence, Black Arabs largely assimilated into the Arab community at large when they were freed.

Also in many if not most societies were reading and writing is available slaves weren't kept from reading and writing which form what I've seen was more of an American thing.

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Old 02-17-2021, 09:12 AM
 
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African elites sold their countries and citizens to Europeans for financial and personal gain. Maybe in another galaxy that doesn't happen but in this one it did.

Please read a history book.
No they didn't this is an outright lie. African Kings sold other peoples citizens that were captured in War. They weren't selling their own citizens. Often some of these wars weren't even started by the King who sold the slaves but they ended up winning and a universal rule of war in ancient times was the winner takes the spoils.
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Old 02-17-2021, 09:27 AM
 
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No they didn't this is an outright lie. African Kings sold other peoples citizens that were captured in War. They weren't selling their own citizens. Often some of these wars weren't even started by the King who sold the slaves but they ended up winning and a universal rule of war in ancient times was the winner takes the spoils.
They did sell their own citizens like criminals and dregs of their society. Selling African salves was not limited to capturing other African tribes.
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Old 02-17-2021, 09:36 AM
 
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They did sell their own citizens like criminals and dregs of their society. Selling African salves was not limited to capturing other African tribes.
Maybe. I understand criminals but were did you here dregs of society. Their were no homeless back then, and their wasn't a peasant class in most societies because nearly everyone was some sort of independent farmer, nomad or hunter-gatherer (Peasants in the far north maybe). Of course this changed from the river based societies of the Ijaw, to the super-decentralized quasi-democracy republican form of government of the Igbo, to the strong centralize government of the Sokoto Caliphate, to the numerous city-state like existence of the Yoruba.

So maybe some had dregs of society and criminals becoming slaves, but it was largely Prisoners of War. At least in much of West Africa. Because dregs/peasants existed but not in a serf-style existence were lords could just control their servants at will.
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Old 02-17-2021, 09:38 AM
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They did sell their own citizens like criminals and dregs of their society. Selling African salves was not limited to capturing other African tribes.
And often they kidnapped people of other tribes for slavery. Olaudah Equiano wrote a biography of his life in the 1700s.
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Old 02-17-2021, 09:43 AM
 
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And often they kidnapped people of other tribes for slavery. Olaudah Equiano wrote a biography of his life in the 1700s.
Hence I mean war. Some states like the Kingdom of Benin are famous basically constantly being at war for much of their existence. Someone was always getting pillaged or attacked by them.
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Old 02-17-2021, 09:44 AM
 
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Not quite.

It’s also known that in most of the Spanish Americas there was higher proportion of men to women, so they took African and indigenous women as wives.

Santo Domingo is not a good example for slavery to begin with because it was a fairly neglected colony under Spanish rule and certainly was not a very rich colony as plenty of other surrounding ones.

So it makes sense that slavery was not large in scope there, but yes slavery was certainly there.
That’s exactly what I pointed out. What exactly are you in disagreement with here?
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Old 02-17-2021, 09:49 AM
 
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Who is the say that America wouldve developed into the being the same power that is today without chattel slavery?

And the enslaved were not “sold by our own African kings,” they were sold by members of rival ethnic groups, the whole “one big black” mentality didn’t exist back then.

The U.S./British 13 colonies imported about a half a million Africans, not 200,000, why are you trying to downplay the numbers? Lol, makes no sense.

This is the problem with the internet, it gives clowns a platform to vomit nonsense.
Exactly. Well said.
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Old 02-17-2021, 09:57 AM
 
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It's not half a million. It was 300k. Also most black slaves in America were first came from British islands of Jamaica and Barbados before landing in Charleston South Carolina. What I found interesting is that 300k slaves ended up becoming a 30 million blacks 300 years later. In Portugal imported 4 million slaves to Brazil and now Brazil has more blacks than many African nations. Other nations that had plenty of blacks imported via slavery have small black populations. Many blacks either died or mate's with the white or mixed race population.
Because slaves in the U.S. were “bred” so that the African-descended population grew exponentially.
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