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It's way too simplistic to make this into a Black vs Asian trope, which the usual suspects on this board are all too happy to do.
These senseless acts of anti-Asian violence have finally garnered the national attention they deserve, but they have also invoked anti-Black sentiment and reignited the trope of Black-Asian conflict. Because some of the video-taped perpetrators appear to have been Black, some observers immediately reduced anti-Asian violence to Black-Asian conflict. This is not the first time that the trope has been weaponized. Black-Asian conflict—and Black-Korean conflict more specifically—became the popular frame of the LA riots in 1992.
The trope failed to capture the reality of Black-Korean relations three decades ago, and it fails to capture the reality of anti-Asian bias today. A recent study finds that in fact, Christian nationalism is the strongest predictor of xenophobic views of COVID-19, and the effect of Christian nationalism is greater among white respondents, compared to Black respondents. Moreover, Black Americans have also experienced high levels of racial discrimination since the pandemic began. Hence, not only does the frame of two minoritized groups in conflict ignore the role of white national populism, but it also absolves the history and systems of inequality that positioned them there.
In 2018 per the Bureau of Justice Statistics, 28% of all reported violent crimes against Asians were committed by Black people. In comparison, only 24% came from White people. Given the size of each population, that’s astounding. White people outnumber Black people about 5 to 1, so if logic were to play out, there should be more White on Asian crime, but that’s not the case.
What the Brookings study called a "trope," the Department of Justice statistics would call a fact. Black people victimize Asian people at rates disproportionately greater than their share of the population, while white people victimize Asian people at rates disproportionately lower than their share of the population. That's just the way it is, and it is not racist or the product of "Christian nationalism" to say so.
What the Brookings study called a "trope," the Department of Justice statistics would call a fact. Black people victimize Asian people at rates disproportionately greater than their share of the population, while white people victimize Asian people at rates disproportionately lower than their share of the population. That's just the way it is, and it is not racist or the product of "Christian nationalism" to say so.
Remember, the poster whom you replied to claims Asian-Americans who live in southern states and who are conservative try so hard to "assimilate" that they don't care about their ancestral culture and roots and therefore they are to be pitied by enlightened Asians liberals from San Francisco like this poster you just replied to.
Only, Asians made up only 6% of the population at the time of this publication. So comparatively, Asians are most likely to harm other Asians. But black on Asian violence is really high under these parameters, while white on Asian violence is extremely low when taking their percentages in the population into account.
Does this take into account the violent rioting and virtual destruction of all of Queens, New York in riots seeking "justice" for the shooting victims? </satire>
It's because most Asians don't care about it themselves. Too busy "saving face". In China if someone is bullied they blame the victim and say "you are too weak and that's why you have problems".
Xi Jiping practices the new Chinese value beliefs with "Wolf Warrior Diplomacy". China as a country geopolitically felt bullied so now the mentality is "Bully or be bullied".
In the Chinese community "saving face" is #1 and trumpeting your status as a victim is "losing face". So many people won't complain. But I think you may see a silent response of many migrants going back home. This fulfills the propaganda " Look see I told you. Don't go there. The Americans are barbarians."
The issue is complicated but Xi (aka Pooh Bear) and the CCP goof troupe is causing at least 50% of the problem in my opinion.
mainland chinese do not make up the bulk of asians in america.
come on man, Asian americans are not about saving face. They're just not getting their voices heard.
Americans don't give a crap about Anti-Asian racism because the issue doesn't get the same attention that anti-black racism gets, so people remain ignorant about the issue.
Black population is only just over double the Asian population, but they get 10x more media attention.
Asians in america are seen as statistically insignificant, so their problems are marginalized and never make headlines.
mainland chinese do not make up the bulk of asians in america.
come on man, Asian americans are not about saving face. They're just not getting their voices heard.
Americans don't give a crap about Anti-Asian racism because the issue doesn't get the same attention that anti-black racism gets, so people remain ignorant about the issue.
Black population is only just over double the Asian population, but they get 10x more media attention.
Asians in america are seen as statistically insignificant, so their problems are marginalized and never make headlines.
More than that, Asians chose not to complain 24/7 about it. I had a manager friend from Laos. I watched him get passed over for promotion time and again. He was an excellent leader and delivered results. He had one flaw. He wasn't an I guy. Because of that A-holes would steal credit for his work, I was there and saw it. But bigger bosses were waiting for him to take a stand and call it as it really was. He refused to be that guy.
If he had been black he wouldn't have had to stand up for himself. He wouldn't have needed his results to be as high. AA would have gotten him advanced. Asians dont enjoy the same free passes.
Asians are the only group that don't harm each other at a higher nominal percentage than other's harm them.
Asian on Asian violent crimes make up 24.1%
White on Asian violent crimes make up 24.1%
Black on Asian violent crimes make up 27.5%
Only, Asians made up only 6% of the population at the time of this publication. So comparatively, Asians are most likely to harm other Asians. But black on Asian violence is really high under these parameters, while white on Asian violence is extremely low when taking their percentages in the population into account.
Yep the rate is what matters. Roughly speaking Asians attack Asians at 10x the rate whites attack Asians and about twice the rate blacks attack Asians. Only whites are attacked at the same rate by other races as by other whites. There seems to be mostly targeting of whites by others.
I'm sick and tired of these posts and posters who are trying to pit groups against each other and try to make it into a "who's more racist" Bigotry Olympics competition. What sort of an agenda is that all about? How about supporting a halt to the violence and harassment, period?
Look - if folks are REALLY supportive and are truly condemning anti-Asian violence, unite around and be supportive, period.
The only group that pushes anything resembling this "bigotry Olympics" are folks from the left who see, scream, and shout racism when it's not there. Not everything that befalls nonwhites in society that the left claims is the result of systemic racism or white supremacy is.
I agree anti-Asian racism is wrong, just as anti-black racism and anti-Hispanic racism and anti-white racism. But statistics show that despite being a minority as well, blacks commit violence against Asians disproportionately. As a Californian and as an Asian, you surely know that Korean immigrants, many of them, saw their businesses turn to ashes in 1992 and it wasn't white people doing that. Ditto with the waves of terrorism perpetrated by Antifa and Black Lives Matter (this is one group which is a fraud and which I'll never support for as long as I live). Many Asian-immigrant-owned businesses were destroyed last summer.
You seem to be bothered by racism, and this post of yours I'm quoting tells me you think injustice is a problem. So do you care at all that so many businesses owned by Asian immigrants were plundered in 2020? If racism is bad, and you probably think George Floyd was murdered, how did the destruction of Asian immigrants' livelihoods do anything to bring about justice for Floyd?
You've actually got it backwards - actually, it's Conservative white people who WANT Asian Americans to aspire to become white, by pitting them against other communities, and having Asian Americans believe the model minority myth. That works until something happens in an Asian country - and then they're ready to scapegoat Asian Americans and throw them under the bus.
Remember Vincent Chin.
Remember Wen Ho Lee.
It's not new.
I don't think white conservatives really care much what Asian-Americans do as long as the latter leave the former alone.
It’s clear that Asian-Americans are discriminated against in America. This is perhaps understandable, since whenever you see reports of Americans looting, stealing, robbing, raping or murdering, it’s usually an Asian-American.
They are the last discriminated group in America, in terms of recognition. ‘Model’ minority is code for ‘invisible’ minority. They are pretty much absent from the media, political and corporate hierarchical positions.
On tv you see black faces everywhere on shows and commercials, but hardly ever an Asian. When they mention the ‘need for diversity’ on shows, this is code for ‘need more blacks’.
A white police officer kills a black man and you see massive demonstrations all over the country for BLM, ok fine. A black male rapes and murders an Asian woman in a Milwaukee park or shoves a 75 year old man to his death, it makes local news. No calls for ALM. If it had been an Asian instead of a black male, it would have been national news, with black leaders calling for justice.
With all the recent reports of crimes against Asians, many by blacks, why are their leaders silent? Do only Black Lives Matter to them?
Whites also commit crimes but at least some leaders, notably Biden, are raising the issue.
Seems it is only black people attacking people in the Asian communities. What's up with that?
It’s clear that Asian-Americans are discriminated against in America. This is perhaps understandable, since whenever you see reports of Americans looting, stealing, robbing, raping or murdering, it’s usually an Asian-American.
They are the last discriminated group in America, in terms of recognition. ‘Model’ minority is code for ‘invisible’ minority. They are pretty much absent from the media, political and corporate hierarchical positions.
On tv you see black faces everywhere on shows and commercials, but hardly ever an Asian. When they mention the ‘need for diversity’ on shows, this is code for ‘need more blacks’.
A white police officer kills a black man and you see massive demonstrations all over the country for BLM, ok fine. A black male rapes and murders an Asian woman in a Milwaukee park or shoves a 75 year old man to his death, it makes local news. No calls for ALM. If it had been an Asian instead of a black male, it would have been national news, with black leaders calling for justice.
With all the recent reports of crimes against Asians, many by blacks, why are their leaders silent? Do only Black Lives Matter to them?
Whites also commit crimes but at least some leaders, notably Biden, are raising the issue.
No. I have noticed discrimination, but this is not something that is generally true. Why do you say this?
"This is perhaps understandable, since whenever you see reports of Americans looting, stealing, robbing, raping or murdering, it’s usually an Asian-American."
Who do you think is a racist issue when Asians are a target? What about the majority of the global community who are not pre-occupied with black, are they automatically racist because they live with, and don't care about, or focus on, skin tone?
I've seen black people in the USA looting federal express vehicles, burning buildings, destroying history ... am I mistaken and it's Asians rather than blacks causing this problem?
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