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However countries such as the UK have a good vaccine program and now have very low covid rates.
It seems like the EU wants to do the exact opposite of the UK, almost out of spite (after Brexit) and this time it's having a dramatic effect, and not in a good way!
It seems like the EU wants to do the exact opposite of the UK, almost out of spite (after Brexit) and this time it's having a dramatic effect, and not in a good way!
It's quite sad, in terms of the vaccine, they have tried to discredit the British vaccine, have tried to punish the UK for a deal they did with AstraZeneca a private company.
They also have unused stockpiles of the Oxford drug and are still making demands and threatening legal action, and they are also and now stating they will take legal action in relation to the grace period regarding the Irish border.
The UK is an independent country and needs to look to develop better relations with proper allies, such as CANZUK and the US, as well as the The Comprehensive and Progressive Agreement for Trans-Pacific Partnership (CPTPP).
The EU is just making itself ever more unpopular in Britain, on the world stage and within EU countries themselves and Ursula von der Leyen has been a disaster for the EU.
The EU are trying to pass the blame on to others for problems of their own making, but in reality are just digging themselves in to an ever bigger hole.
Because lockdowns, masks, and social distancing don't work.
Oh just stop with that. It's contagious disease, spread by being near each other, and if being NOT near each other doesn't help a little bit, what do you propose? Meantime - if you think their "lockdown" was worse than your own - you haven't been there. Don't fool yourself. Folks from all over Europe have been vacationing all over the rest of Europe for half a year now - that's how virus spreads.
So the real question is - why is it worse RIGHT NOW - and it's a combo of things - but that "worse" most likely would have appeared here in the USA in a week or a month - but probably will not, due to the vaccine.
Europe is behind us on vaccines - you can just consider them "not yet started" - and so ya get what ya get. As I said, it's a contagious disease, and it spreads - that's what it does. You can slow it down, but ya ain't gonna stop it.
Because lockdowns, masks, and social distancing don't work.
Oh just stop with that. It's contagious disease, spread by being near each other, and if being NOT near each other doesn't help a little bit, what do you propose? Meantime - if you think their "lockdown" was worse than your own - you haven't been there. Don't fool yourself. Folks from all over Europe have been vacationing all over the rest of Europe for half a year now - that's how virus spreads.
So the real question is - why is it worse RIGHT NOW - and it's a combo of things - but that "worse" most likely would have appeared here in the USA in a week or a month - but probably will not, due to the vaccine.
Europe is behind us on vaccines - you can just consider them "not yet started" - and so ya get what ya get. As I said, it's a contagious disease, and it spreads - that's what it does. You can slow it down, but ya ain't gonna stop it.
The largest issue is the Suspension of the Astrazeneca vaccine by many European countries, couldn't have come at a worse time.
Europe is proof that vaccination programs aren't automatically done well. Those who think Trump deserves credit for their shot need to look at Europe. They developed vaccines too (both the AstraZeneca and Pfizer were developed in Europe). They ordered plenty and stockpiled it. But getting it in people's arms is also part of the challenge. You need good management and effective government action. Biden brought that to the US effort on 1/20. They don't have a "Biden" at the head of the EU effort.
More time to mutate. I thought they detected the virus in sewer samples as early as spring 2019 in Spain or Italy.
Increased testing. Because someone is positive doesn't it really mean they'll be hospitalized-no. They're testingmore in the US and Europe since the start
Positive tests don't necessarily mean hospitalization. The reaction including testing might be make things worse in many cases.
Yes the virus can be deadly to those compromised but they are susceptable to alot of things.
You sound desperate to paint Trump in a positive light, do you know that Europe’s problem is the new variant.
Some of it is that. They also largely only bought the AztraZenca (AZ) vaccine. Of the four, AZ has been the one riddled with the most problems. AZ had to halt its trials due to complications and cocerns. Then just about a week ago there are more so Europe stopped using the AZ vaccine fora few days. Those few days are critical since it means thousands to millions of people vaccinated.
The problem with the US was we started very slow and it came during winter when storms are more likely to effect distribution. Guess what, December had some storms and February had at least a half of month where 60% of the country had storms. Trump IMHO didn't work enough to get the initial rollout fine. Granted it worked out but Biden championed Merck producing a copy of the Johnson & Johnson single shot, just as the J&J got launced. Trump didn't seem interested while it has been Biden's main focus.
Europe is dealing with a much more transmittable strain than the US right now. But the B.117 is growing here, now accounting for about a quarter of the cases. We can beat it, but the vax program needs to continue and accelerate. Thankfully it appears to be doing that.
An interesting thing in the Pfizer testing of their vax with B.117 is that is remained diminished but still effective, but the most diminution occurred in those UNDER 55. Why is that interesting? Well, evolutionary pressures suggest that as we vax the older population, evolution will favor emergence of strands that infect younger people. It could be that we are vaxxing our way to a pandemic with unknown consequences in our children and young people who, to date, have been spared.
Ironic how liberals and the media held Europe up as an example of how to handle Covid correctly and the USA as being evil.
Now as it turns out the USA ended up being right all along and we are successfully vaccinating million of people. Europe on the other hand has destroyed their economies and can't manage to vaccinate people properly. They are in a hot mess.
It's always easy and natural for Democrats/Liberals/Media to trash the USA and especially Republicans with false information, but they are never to be heard from again when science proves the USA and Republicans were right all along.
COVID is a nasty little virus. It has had third waves whereas other modern pandemics mostly have two big waves. The issue with Europe that the media talked about was that they got the countries to lockdown. Something that we as a nation couldn't and wouldn't do so it became a shouldn't do. Europe showed it worked. The issue was a son as they would reopen, the virus would eventually spread exponentially.
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