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Old 04-05-2021, 10:43 AM
 
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Are not the carotid arteries on the side of the neck?
It’s next to the airway at the front of the neck. You could say it’s on the side of the front. Someone kneeling on his neck from the front could press on it, even unintentionally, but Chauvin was behind him.

 
Old 04-05-2021, 10:55 AM
 
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"Bradford Langenfeld, the emergency physician who tried to revive Floyd at the hospital, testified on Monday that Floyd arrived at Hennepin County Medical Center on the night of May 25 without a heartbeat, and suffering from a form of cardiac arrest most typically associated with a lack of oxygen, or asphyxiation, or traumatic bleeding."

https://www.washingtonpost.com/natio...chauvin-trial/

Funny he didn't mention drug overdose.
 
Old 04-05-2021, 10:57 AM
 
Location: FL
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The advice to do life saving procedures on a person who his associate officers stated he had no pulse ? Good to know. Thank you for saying he chose to ignore reason.
 
Old 04-05-2021, 11:10 AM
 
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Dr. Langenfield had to walk an extremely narrow line with his testimony.
He was having to water down immensely the years of professional medical education to explain his accessments.

Toxicology would not have been immediately available and the subject was unresponsive to answer questions to help the medical team. He had to go on what was in front of him based on the status code of the patient, who was essentially d.o.a.
They are required to do that silly thing called life saving actions that the police officers chose not to render at any point of accountable custody of their subject.
 
Old 04-05-2021, 11:11 AM
 
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The cause of death as determined by the medical examiner, the only doctor who performed an autopsy on Floyd, is NOT through being choked and prevented from breathing. Floyd's breathing difficulties was brought on by existing cardiovascular disease. His artery was 80% blocked and he was suffering a heart attack. Getting arrested can be a very distressing situation. Any person suffering from heart disease can get a heart attack on getting bad news.
So that's why the medical examiner ruled it a homicide???????
 
Old 04-05-2021, 11:26 AM
 
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So that's why the medical examiner ruled it a homicide???????
Ah....the IF BUT FOR.

Which goes into the examiners accumulative conclusion.

Here is a synopsis:
The classifications are natural, accident, suicide, homicide, undetermined, and pending. Only medical examiner's and coroners may use all of the manners of death. Other certifiers must use natural or refer the death to the medical examiner. The manner of death is determined by the medical examiner.

Two separate autopsy were done.
 
Old 04-05-2021, 11:30 AM
 
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Putting sufficient pressure on the neck can kill someone, but Chauvin knew that he wasn’t putting sufficient pressure to do that, the paramedic and the MMA bystanders didn’t, so he was right to ignore that advice.
What planet are you from?

The man died.
 
Old 04-05-2021, 11:31 AM
 
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The advice to do life saving procedures on a person who his associate officers stated he had no pulse ? Good to know. Thank you for saying he chose to ignore reason.
I was referring specifically to the advice from those two bystanders (though the same would apply to other bystanders). I didn’t mention his associate officers at all. Are you saying that the police should follow whatever advice is given to them by bystanders who are not in uniform and whom they don’t know? (And the same goes for paramedics, fire fighters, rescuers searching a collapsed building, lifesavers on the beach, mountain rescuers ...) Sometimes those bystanders will be right, but I think that mostly they will be wrong.
 
Old 04-05-2021, 11:34 AM
 
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I was referring specifically to the advice from those two bystanders (though the same would apply to other bystanders). I didn’t mention his associate officers at all. Are you saying that the police should follow whatever advice is given to them by bystanders who are not in uniform and whom they don’t know? (And the same goes for paramedics, fire fighters, rescuers searching a collapsed building, lifesavers on the beach, mountain rescuers ...) Sometimes those bystanders will be right, but I think that mostly they will be wrong.
What you think?

Really?

Chauvin kept him down for three minutes after he lost consciousness, ensuring that he could not be revived.
 
Old 04-05-2021, 11:47 AM
 
Location: New York Area
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If there are no bad cops why are cities paying out these massive settlements? The overwhelming majority of these aren’t jury awards they are pre trial settlements.

NYC $170 million yearly
Chicago $47 million yearly
L.A $33 million yearly
Washington DC $13 million yearly
Philadelphia $10.5 million yearly
Detroit $6.4 million yearly
Milwaukee $4 million yearly
Baltimore $3.6 million yearly
San Francisco $2.7 million yearly



NYC is payout an average of $170 million a year in police misconduct settlements and no cop is EVER in the wrong?
As more police actions are surveilled because of body cams, bystanders videotaping and ubiquitous cctv these settlement costs are going to keep rising unless the bad cops are removed.
Cities are paying out someone else's money for these settlements. It is easy to be big-hearted with someone else's money.
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