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I find it fascinating that liberals simply ignore or deny a BLOOD LEVEL OF FENTANYL that is lethal.
There is not an opinion or subjective view of this; it is a blood level that would kill anyone unless they were intubated and ventilated.
Those are simple medical facts. The funny thing is that I deal with these very issues professionally on a daily basis, yet internet liberals presume to know more!
What is your opinion about Fentanyl tolerance?
What is your opinion about post-mortem fentanyl redistribution from tissues of higher concentration into the blood?
He had a respiratory arrest from fentanyl with concurrent pulmonary edema.
Take lethal doses of drugs and get expected results. Now if Floyd survived his overdose- that would have been remarkable.
You need to consider tolerance (Fentanyl tolerance is not a one size fits all concept).
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A forensic toxicologist at the laboratory that tested George Floyd’s blood said it was common for intoxicated driving suspects who used fentanyl to have higher levels of the drug in their systems than Mr. Floyd did when he died.
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Of more than 2,300 blood samples from intoxicated drivers that N.M.S. Labs tested last year — all of which were in cases where the driver survived and tested positive for fentanyl — about a quarter of the people had fentanyl levels that were the same or higher than Mr. Floyd’s, Dr. Isenschmid said.
Ok, my mistake. At any rate, the cause of death - be it a heart attack (blockage of blood flow to the heart) or cardiopulmonary arrest (heart malfunction) - did occur during Floyd's encounter with police officers.
A symptom of cardiopulmonary arrest is shortness of breath. Floyd complained of this when he was put in the cop car. Therefore, the onset of heart malfunction had already begun long before he was restrained on the ground.
Agree?
All deaths lead to cardiopulmonary arrest. That is the end result of all causative factors leading to death.
Speaking of "facts" (which liberals always ignore), there is a simple lab value that would have helped TREMENDOUSLY in determining the CAUSE OF FLOYD'S DEATH.
The contention of libs (and the prosecution) is that the cop applied pressure to Floyd's neck and prevented ventilation. This creates a situation of NEGATIVE PRESSURE PULMONARY EDEMA, which occurs from inspiring against a closed larynx.
An analysis of the pulmonary edema fluid would have differentiated between pulmonary edema CAUSED BY THE FENTANYL INGESTION and by pure airway obstruction (the cop putting pressure on his neck). The cause of pulmonary edema with opioid overdose has several causes, only one of which is inspiring against a closed glottis. Thus there is the issue of direct toxicity to alveolar cells and hypoxia independent of negative pressure pulmonary edema that contributes to this.
SO..................................... a lab analysis of the pulmonary edema fluid and tissue fluid would show the following:
1. The average ratio of edema fluid protein to plasma protein below .65 for negative pressure pulmonary edema
2. The average ratio of edema fluid protein to plasma protein above .65 for hydrostatic pulmonary edema
To my knowledge, this was no performed on the path report, which is a critical error on the part of the pathologist and would have tremendous value in determining the outcome of Floyd's death. Keep in mind that medical examiners are not usually clinical "stars" and thus errors occur.
I considered negative pressure pulmonary edema also. However, it seems that Floyd talked right up until the time his respiratory efforts ceased judging from the video.
You brought up the sex and sudden death. I didn't hear testimony regarding that during the trial.
I brought up sex as a physical activity that can also elevate heart rate just as struggling with police officers can. Either activity carry risks of heart failure for George Floyd who chose to engage police officers. The cops were just performing their duties in accordance with rules of engagement.
Maybe you should explain that to the ME who did the autopsy. He is the one that said that the cardiopulmonary arrest was caused by Chauvins actions. I have heard about his education and work history in the medical field and assume that he knows more than an anonymous poster on a forum about the situation.
The ME didn't identify Chauvin. He said "law enforcement" that included three police officers who wanted to get Floyd into a police car.
The ME is not the one who is confused. I don't need to explain anything to him. You are confused, as much as the rest of the bozos here in this discussion. This is why we have a better time than those professionals in court.
and maybe, just maybe when he didn't have a pulse they did something instead of keeping pressure on his neck.
you can make that case but any decent attorney will turn around and show that procedure has NEVER killed a person outright in the Minneapolis police department and his drugs abuse and poor heart did and show medical evidence after medical evidence and cases after cases of people that died under his condition. All the defense has to prove by the drugs in his system and is weak heart and that he couldn't breath before a cop touched him that another factor was the main cause of his death and he brought this on himself for abusing his health for years and resisting arrest. Forget the drug abuse for a second, if he didn't resist arrest, we wouldn't be having this conversation or this be any news.
that's call a reasonable doubt (and a big one) and more weight. You can kiss goodbye murder 1 or 2 out the window.
you can make that case but any decent attorney will turn around and show that procedure has NEVER killed a person outright in the Minneapolis police department and his drugs abuse and poor heart did and show medical evidence after medical evidence and cases after cases of people that died under his condition. All the defense has to prove by the drugs in his system and is weak heart and that he couldn't breath before a cop touched him that another factor was the main cause of his death and he brought this on himself for abusing his health for years and resisting arrest. Forget the drug abuse for a second, if he didn't resist arrest, we wouldn't be having this conversation or this be any news.
that's call a reasonable doubt (and a big one) and more weight. You can kiss goodbye murder 1 or 2 out the window.
Floyd didn't have a pulse as confirmed by one of the officers. Chauvin said to keep on Floyd's back.
Pretty well established in medical literature that doing nothing when a person's heart and breathing stopped will result in certain, unreversible, death.
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