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What you have said illustrates, to an extent, how I see Black conservatism. And it goes to the heart of what the OP has been talking about. It doesn't offer Black people very much. Black conservatism was never meant to serve Black people. It was meant to serve a purpose. I agree that it offers a message that some people want to hear. It also offers a mouthpiece.
As for Thomas Sowell, I think some people know he's an economist. Hence, one reason some people lean towards Walter Williams.
Consider this. One Black conservative Youtuber, Tommy Sotomayor, is famous for making very bigoted, in many cases bordering on violent, remarks about Black women. If a White conservative said that stuff on FOX News, said person would be booted off the network immediately. It would bring unwanted attention. Tommy Sotomayor, on the other hand, can get away with calling Black women "Terminatrix", "beasts", and "hair hats"(reference to hair weave). He can say what he want on his channel. Ironically, most of his audience is Black, males particularly. I notice that here on city-data, mostly White conservatives have posted anything about him, if it is something that lines up with their views.
Another example would be Taki's Mag. Taki's Mag contributor Jim Goad spoke with a certain degree of respect for Malcolm X. I wouldn't expect anything nice to be said about any Black person on an alt-right website like Taki's Mag. However, when I look at what the message was really about, I understand why. Jim Goad said that Malcolm X didn't have any respect for White liberals. What makes this ironic is that Malcolm X's message was for Black people only.
Interesting that you bring up Malcolm, who, for years, talked consistently about how both white liberalism as well as white conservatism are dangerous to Black people; Everything from, "If you're south of the Canadian border, you're south!" To comparing white liberalism to a dentist putting novicaine in your jaw. ("You suffer peacefully!).
But it's funny, because I now see conservatives use Malcolm's rant against liberalism to strengthen their own argument and narrative. The same folk who call King a Marxist now put up the ideals of a Pan-Africanist against white liberalism! (Pan-Afrinanism has some Marxist ideals!)
One of the typical divisions in black ideology was in regard to school segregation in the later part of the 19th Century. One side wanted racially mixed schools and the other side didn't. Those who advocated segregated schools knew that this would employ black teachers, administrators, and support staff. White schools didn't employ black teachers and bringing young educated black professionals into black communities was a motivating factor for black children. Perhaps Booker T was not at liberty to tell his conservative supporters that he believed in separation of the races because it would empower and employ black professionals.
Chicago has always been segregated. Not just Black/White. It was a port of entry town. You came of the boat, or rail or whatever and there was a part of town for you to go....unless your part of town became overrun by a different group moving in. While AAs have been part of America since the beginning, they were a relatively late group to Chicago....so they had to fight for neighborhoods by displacing other groups. As with the time, it was more than just a place to live, it also affected job availability, what the commercial areas were designed to provide, places of worship and local activities.
South Shore is a beautiful area, and it's also predominantly African American. I daresay with more conservative law and order supporters, the crime in the area would go down, but most of Chiraqs slayings happen in a few undesirable neighborhoods. It isn't representative of the town which is overall fairly safe. But the Cartel's going to cartel....displacing the old Italian Outfit.
Outsiders may not understand how Chicago works, but it does work. And certainly the socialists have made a mark in roiling things up and attacking law and order, but that will be supplanted as people tire of these professional complainers getting rich off of being social justice warriors. Extracting support....or protection money...from the business community just hoping to be able to work in a peaceful environment.
Some things never change. We need more African Americans to feel comfortable to admit that they are actually conservative. They want law and order in their neighborhoods...judiciously handled of course, but that until law and order is restored, it will the hustlers than reign.
What you have said illustrates, to an extent, how I see Black conservatism. And it goes to the heart of what the OP has been talking about. It doesn't offer Black people very much. Black conservatism was never meant to serve Black people. It was meant to serve a purpose. I agree that it offers a message that some people want to hear. It also offers a mouthpiece.
As for Thomas Sowell, I think some people know he's an economist. Hence, one reason some people lean towards Walter Williams.
Consider this. One Black conservative Youtuber, Tommy Sotomayor, is famous for making very bigoted, in many cases bordering on violent, remarks about Black women. If a White conservative said that stuff on FOX News, said person would be booted off the network immediately. It would bring unwanted attention. Tommy Sotomayor, on the other hand, can get away with calling Black women "Terminatrix", "beasts", and "hair hats"(reference to hair weave). He can say what he want on his channel. Ironically, most of his audience is Black, males particularly. I notice that here on city-data, mostly White conservatives have posted anything about him, if it is something that lines up with their views.
Another example would be Taki's Mag. Taki's Mag contributor Jim Goad spoke with a certain degree of respect for Malcolm X. I wouldn't expect anything nice to be said about any Black person on an alt-right website like Taki's Mag. However, when I look at what the message was really about, I understand why. Jim Goad said that Malcolm X didn't have any respect for White liberals. What makes this ironic is that Malcolm X's message was for Black people only.
The problem.Sotomayor is the same I see on here. Conservatives say nasty things and when challenged on it, they all go back to the first amendment.
Well. A law abiding white person is in the majority and has the backing of the state by virtue of power.
And? So? Explain why Asians commit crimes at a lower rate than whites. That doesn't fit your twisted agenda so you won't even try.
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A law abiding black person is still not a full citizen and will never be given the benifit of the doubt.
Another made up comment that has no substance.
Again blacks commit crimes at a high rate because they are not raised properly. That is the case for children raised in a single parent environment no matter what the race is. But you keep making things up and ignoring the truth.
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Exactly this, ending the war on drugs would have saved breonna taylor and george flloyd.
The war on drugs doesn't help, no doubt. But it's about personal responsibility.
Floyd wasn't arrested for drugs. Taylors problem is getting involved with the wrong people. It was a personal decisions in the end that led to their deaths.
This is partly perception by others, and partly our own responsibility collectively as black people.
As a small percentage of the population, we commit a lot of crime. We kill our own much more than white folk do. 60%-70% of black households have a single parent. I think it's slooowly getting better - but we have to own what we do.
Enticing people to rely on government to raise ones kids is the cause.
Why stay together and work when government will pay you not too? We see it first hand with the federal covid UE payments. I bet you know some people who would rather receive the $$$ than work. I do. In Texas people were getting a minimum of $800 a week from the state and feds. Now it's $500 a week. Is is any wonder the help wanted signs are up and there are not enough takers?
Last edited by Loveshiscountry; 04-12-2021 at 09:55 AM..
if you think the negative effects of being addicted to heroine , meth or crack will go away or become harmless by having the government make it mainstream and tax it, it's just making it worse.
Who is saying it will go away???? Do you think many will will try and continue to use it because it's legal?
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