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Old 06-10-2021, 07:25 PM
 
Location: Midwest
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My aunt died after getting the second shot. Her feet swelled up, she had trouble breathing, and her heart stopped.
At least 150 million vaccinations have been given. Statistically, some will die from other causes coincidently soon after this vaccination.

How old was your aunt? What was her medical history? What you describe sounds like heart failure. Did she have a history of heart problems?

 
Old 06-10-2021, 07:31 PM
 
Location: New Jersey
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They might want to hold off on the young male employees. The vaccine is giving them heart inflammation.
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Old 06-10-2021, 08:11 PM
 
Location: Georgia, USA
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They might want to hold off on the young male employees. The vaccine is giving them heart inflammation.
Still to be confirmed, and if it turns out the vaccines are causative full recovery is typical.

https://www.aappublications.org/news...61021.full.pdf
 
Old 06-11-2021, 12:21 AM
 
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Most of those patients immuno-compromised/suppressed are some of the best candidates for the vaccine as they are at such high risk. My wife as a stem cell transplant patient, even having survived a Covid 19 infection, still took the vaccine a year later. Your doctor should know best, but the decision is yours of course.
I was told by the same person that I was not able to get vaccines anymore once I started the treatment years ago.

If someone has a suppressed immune system then they will have no immune system response to a vaccine anyway, as was explained to me years ago.
 
Old 06-11-2021, 12:30 AM
 
Location: Georgia, USA
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I was told by the same person that I was not able to get vaccines anymore once I started the treatment years ago.

If someone has a suppressed immune system then they will have no immune system response to a vaccine anyway, as was explained to me years ago.
Someone who is immunosuppressed may have a greater risk of not responding to a vaccine but it is not guaranteed.

You would be at greater risk for severe outcome with the actual infection.
 
Old 06-11-2021, 05:50 AM
 
Location: East Lansing, MI
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They might want to hold off on the young male employees. The vaccine is giving them heart inflammation.
You know what else causes myocarditis/pericarditis? Getting COVID.
 
Old 06-11-2021, 07:42 AM
 
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I was told by the same person that I was not able to get vaccines anymore once I started the treatment years ago.

If someone has a suppressed immune system then they will have no immune system response to a vaccine anyway, as was explained to me years ago.
There can be times when the vaccine is not effective. For instance for the months after a stem cell transplant. And of course it makes no sense to vaccinate right before the transplant. Once the transplant kicks in, we have to train the new cells. So she has had a series of numerous vaccinations the past 2 years. Including all the usual childhood vaccines. During certain chemotherapies and immuno-suppressive agents vaccinations might not be warranted. But those decisions are above my pay grade.
 
Old 06-11-2021, 08:14 AM
 
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Still to be confirmed, and if it turns out the vaccines are causative full recovery is typical.

https://www.aappublications.org/news...61021.full.pdf
What you have basically shown is a very good case as to why any sort of mandate is inappropriate at this time.

From the Article
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Among 285 cases with a known outcome, 270 were discharged, most to their homes. About 81% have made a full recovery, and the rest had ongoing symptoms or unknown status. Fifteen are still hospitalized, including three in intensive care
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There were 196 cases in young adults ages 18-24 years, while eight to 83 were expected.
Not sure of your definition, but the ones still suffering symptoms, probably are taking no comfort in being considered typical.

Even if recovery is "typical" and these people fully recover. It seems like some sort of mental mind game people are trying to play as basically what you are saying is "Yes there is a small possibility you may end up with issues with your heart, but typically you will be just fine".

This is concerning enough that a CDC Committee is convening an emergency meeting next week.

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ACIP will hold an emergency meeting on June 18 to discuss myocarditis cases and the AAP will be monitoring the meeting closely.
Now, will anything come of it or will things "work out"...only time will tell and these mandates are not giving people this time.

We are only a few months in since the "Emergency Use Authorization" was issued by the FDA. What if something like this or some other major complication turns out where recovery is not so typical?
 
Old 06-11-2021, 08:16 AM
 
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I was told by the same person that I was not able to get vaccines anymore once I started the treatment years ago.

If someone has a suppressed immune system then they will have no immune system response to a vaccine anyway, as was explained to me years ago.
Same person - your doctor?

That's the only medical advice I would take -- from a doctor. And maybe even get a second opinion.

Other than that --- I wouldn't trust anyone's advice.
 
Old 06-11-2021, 10:16 AM
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Location: North Monterey County
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VERY easy to replace those that walked off the job.

Plenty of nursing staffing companies that would have people ready at the go.

Bravo to the hospital for standing up for their patients.
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