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I'm not a fan of Conspiracy theories and all that garbage, and I certainly don't believe this one. You really think our own government would do this? Not to mention the fact that Osama himself said he did it, so the US government must be working with him too, right? The government must be killing our own troops overseas too then? What about the terror attacks in Europe, was the US government behind those attacks?
"you really think that our own goverment would do this?" - look back through history and you will see that yes your goverment is very capable of doing such false flag attacks
1)World War I1914-1918 The U-boat torpedo hit ocean liner Lusitania near Britain .The major explosions were inside the Lusitania as it was secretly transporting 6 million pounds of artillery shells and rifle ammunition as well as other explosives on behalf of Morgan banking corporation.It was actually against the US laws to transport war materials and passengers in the same ship. The germans actually posted an article in an american newspaper warning people not to go on the cruise as it would be entering a wartime battlezone.
World War 21939-1945 The U-boat torpedo hit ocean liner Athenia near
the Britain. The ship was sunk because it behaved like a military transport, blackened out and zigzagging. The US naval intelligence, chief of Japan desk planned and suggested "8 insults",which should bring Japan into war with the US. The most serious one was a total blockade of Japanese oil imports, as agreed between Americans, British and the Dutch. agianst the international rules of war
Vietnam War: "The Tonkin incident", where American destroyer Maddox was supposedly attacked twice by three North Vietnamese torpedo boats - a 2005 declassified NSA study concluded that no such attack happened.
As pearl harbour and the gulf of tonkin incident was used to enter into war , now the false flag attack on 9/11 where a group of muslim hijackers funded by osama bin laden from a cave in the middle east were able to cause the most powerfull military and a trillion dollar defense industry to fail 4 times on one day and somehow cause for the first time in history 3 steel structured buildings to a global(complete) collapse due to structural damage and fire damage.
"Not to mention the fact that Osama himself said he did it"
this however is not true - the videos that have been released , he praises the attacks but does not claim that he was behind them . the one video where its claimed he does claim he was responsable has been widley acknowledged that this is a fake, the person in this film has much darker skin , a wider nose and is much healthier than in any previous video - not only this but on the FBIs most wanted list for osama 9/11 is not even mentioned because in the FBIs own words "there is no evidence that links osama bin laden to 9/11" "so the US government must be working with him too, right?"
actually yes- osama bin laden was a CIA operative - he supplied with large funds, training and wepons by the american goverment to help fight the Soviet army from 1979 – 1989, with the mujahideen aka Al Qaeda.
Also whilst he was the worlds most wanted man it is reported that osama was treated at the American hospital in Dubai from July 4 and stayed until July 14 and was visited by the local CIA agent.
"The government must be killing our own troops overseas too then? "
There is no need for the goverment to kill your troops overseas.
If another country invaded your country tonight what would you do ?
If your country was blamed of holding "weapons of mass destruction" (iraq)
then it turns out after the deaths of thousands of your people - children. friends , wife , sister ,. bother . father , mother - not to be true , what would you do? A war by the way that has cost more american lives than 9/11 itself!!
If your schools , hospitals, water treatment palnts were bombed in an operation called "shock and awe" and the U.N put massive sanctions on your country so the medical care and food could not enter what would you do?
Would you not fight these invaders for the saftey of your family? for the liberty of your land? for the rights of your people?
"What about the terror attacks in Europe"
please search for "7/7 the ripple efffect " this shows britians version of terror attacks where belive it or not they were also conducting war games where drills of terrorist blowing up undergrond train stations in london and a public transport vehicle were being simulated on the very same day it happened at the very same locations . same as the american war games on 9/11 where terrorist hijacked planes and crashed them into high value targets across america , this was suppost to be a trainig excercise but as we see with both events these excercises became real > what a conicidence that the extreemist muslims would pick these very same days and locations!!
It is hard to belive that your own goverment could do such things , its always much easier to blame an somebody else and with the help of the media label them as the enemy from another land. It is very sad and also very frightening that people could do such a crime and get away with it in a so called democracy. It is disturbing that the people asked to investigate these crimes with independance(9/11 commision) our actually controlled by the very people (philip zelikow)that might if the evidence was studied rationally be under that very investigation.
I have provided a small snippet of information which i hope allows those who read thi to look further into the evidence that 9/11 was an inside job and there is lots of such evidence. the consequences of 9/11 not only affect americans but directly affect the world as a whole , since this date we have seen at least 2 wars , the killing of thousands of civilians and young soliders, the changing of laws for so called homeland security, the oppression of truth with people who speak out being labled as conspiracy theorist, unpatriotic or in support of terrorism.
The reality behind this is that it is the official story of these events that should be correctly labled the outlandish conspiracy theory- where facts are ommited, evidence distorted ,versions of events changed ( 3 times) and truth out right lied about by officials
please take your time with an open mind to review the evidence that is widley avaliable on the internet. remember that dismissing these claims under the thinking that "out goverment wouldnt do such a thing" allows these thing to happen as people remain ignorant due to fear of the truth.
Here is your simple answer the building lost its structural integrity because it had a plane flown cockeyed into it. the heat caused the steel to sag enough that a floor fell and created a cascade effect. as a floor compacts on the one beneath it will force the air somewhere... like those puffs of dust at various points in the building. It fell at an expected speed of a failed building.
your answer is simple but not in the correct meaning !
for a start your integrity and pancake theory is incorrect as proved by hundreds of sciencetist and engineers who have carried out indipendant studies as well as by NIST which is a goverment funded body that concluded that their findings of how the towers collapsed only " had a low probability of outcome" meaning even they could not explian how the building came down using the pancake/gravity theory.
and how do you explain how all three buildings 1,2 and 7 came down at close to free fall speed , the only way this is possible is if mass is moved out of the way and the only thing capable of moving mass out of the way are explosives
for those who dont belive the controlled demolition theory why not take a look at the large traces of thermite found in the debris which is used in the demolition industry to lower the melting point of steel .
Also the buildings were designed to take the inpact of a 707 which has a higher cruise speed and a higher thrust to weight ratio than that of a 767 for those who disute that the buildings were designed this way please take a look at frank dimartini - the wtc construction manager who says that the buildings could have taken the impact of several aircraft
and finally " It fell at an expected speed of a failed building." no other building before or after the three on 9/11 has fell weather due to structual damage or fire damage so how do you work out hte expected speed a failed building would fall if there had never been any such instances in history ?
to anyone who would like to discuss this please dont tell me this is wrong because im just a crazy conspiracy theorist , come to the debate with some acceptable information not just what penn and teller have told you to say thankyou
Three heavily reinforced steel frame buildings collapsed at free fall speed on 9-11. One of which was not even touched by an airplane, the other 2 had relatively minor damage and fires burning, and were built to withstand multiple air crashes. No steel framed skyscraper has ever collapsed due to fire before in history.
There were molten pools of steel found at the bottom of all 3 buildings that burned for months. Fires produced by the jet fuel did not come close to that required to produce those pools.
The buildings were relatively bare of flammable materials, and were designed to isolate fires.
Who planted the explosives? Well, a security company with ties to Marvin Bush presided over the building for months before 9-11. Occupants reported banks of elevators being made unavailable for use for days at a time, and loud rumbling noises were heard on supposedly vacant floors.
I hope not. There are so many reasons to question it. Even thinking about the fact that all of the telecasts of Bin Laden were on tapes and not live should make one wonder whether the whole thing wasn't pre-planned and now the story that he was shot in the face when he was supposedly unarmed and could have been arrested instead (if he hadn't died years ago even before 9/11 from kidney disease).
Too bad you didn't set up a poll. It would have been fun to see the results.
wow some 911 truther digs up an old thread.. truthers are desperate it seems...gotta revive their original BS because their trump card (OSAMA) was found and killed.
"you really think that our own goverment would do this?" - look back through history and you will see that yes your goverment is very capable of doing such false flag attacks
1)World War I1914-1918 The U-boat torpedo hit ocean liner Lusitania near Britain .The major explosions were inside the Lusitania as it was secretly transporting 6 million pounds of artillery shells and rifle ammunition as well as other explosives on behalf of Morgan banking corporation.It was actually against the US laws to transport war materials and passengers in the same ship. The germans actually posted an article in an american newspaper warning people not to go on the cruise as it would be entering a wartime battlezone.
World War 21939-1945 The U-boat torpedo hit ocean liner Athenia near
the Britain. The ship was sunk because it behaved like a military transport, blackened out and zigzagging. The US naval intelligence, chief of Japan desk planned and suggested "8 insults",which should bring Japan into war with the US. The most serious one was a total blockade of Japanese oil imports, as agreed between Americans, British and the Dutch. agianst the international rules of war
Vietnam War: "The Tonkin incident", where American destroyer Maddox was supposedly attacked twice by three North Vietnamese torpedo boats - a 2005 declassified NSA study concluded that no such attack happened.
As pearl harbour and the gulf of tonkin incident was used to enter into war , now the false flag attack on 9/11 where a group of muslim hijackers funded by osama bin laden from a cave in the middle east were able to cause the most powerfull military and a trillion dollar defense industry to fail 4 times on one day and somehow cause for the first time in history 3 steel structured buildings to a global(complete) collapse due to structural damage and fire damage.
"Not to mention the fact that Osama himself said he did it"
this however is not true - the videos that have been released , he praises the attacks but does not claim that he was behind them . the one video where its claimed he does claim he was responsable has been widley acknowledged that this is a fake, the person in this film has much darker skin , a wider nose and is much healthier than in any previous video - not only this but on the FBIs most wanted list for osama 9/11 is not even mentioned because in the FBIs own words "there is no evidence that links osama bin laden to 9/11" "so the US government must be working with him too, right?"
actually yes- osama bin laden was a CIA operative - he supplied with large funds, training and wepons by the american goverment to help fight the Soviet army from 1979 – 1989, with the mujahideen aka Al Qaeda.
Also whilst he was the worlds most wanted man it is reported that osama was treated at the American hospital in Dubai from July 4 and stayed until July 14 and was visited by the local CIA agent.
"The government must be killing our own troops overseas too then? "
There is no need for the goverment to kill your troops overseas.
If another country invaded your country tonight what would you do ?
If your country was blamed of holding "weapons of mass destruction" (iraq)
then it turns out after the deaths of thousands of your people - children. friends , wife , sister ,. bother . father , mother - not to be true , what would you do? A war by the way that has cost more american lives than 9/11 itself!!
If your schools , hospitals, water treatment palnts were bombed in an operation called "shock and awe" and the U.N put massive sanctions on your country so the medical care and food could not enter what would you do?
Would you not fight these invaders for the saftey of your family? for the liberty of your land? for the rights of your people?
"What about the terror attacks in Europe"
please search for "7/7 the ripple efffect " this shows britians version of terror attacks where belive it or not they were also conducting war games where drills of terrorist blowing up undergrond train stations in london and a public transport vehicle were being simulated on the very same day it happened at the very same locations . same as the american war games on 9/11 where terrorist hijacked planes and crashed them into high value targets across america , this was suppost to be a trainig excercise but as we see with both events these excercises became real > what a conicidence that the extreemist muslims would pick these very same days and locations!!
It is hard to belive that your own goverment could do such things , its always much easier to blame an somebody else and with the help of the media label them as the enemy from another land. It is very sad and also very frightening that people could do such a crime and get away with it in a so called democracy. It is disturbing that the people asked to investigate these crimes with independance(9/11 commision) our actually controlled by the very people (philip zelikow)that might if the evidence was studied rationally be under that very investigation.
I have provided a small snippet of information which i hope allows those who read thi to look further into the evidence that 9/11 was an inside job and there is lots of such evidence. the consequences of 9/11 not only affect americans but directly affect the world as a whole , since this date we have seen at least 2 wars , the killing of thousands of civilians and young soliders, the changing of laws for so called homeland security, the oppression of truth with people who speak out being labled as conspiracy theorist, unpatriotic or in support of terrorism.
The reality behind this is that it is the official story of these events that should be correctly labled the outlandish conspiracy theory- where facts are ommited, evidence distorted ,versions of events changed ( 3 times) and truth out right lied about by officials
please take your time with an open mind to review the evidence that is widley avaliable on the internet. remember that dismissing these claims under the thinking that "out goverment wouldnt do such a thing" allows these thing to happen as people remain ignorant due to fear of the truth.
Please present a peer reviewed article by these "thousands of engineering professionals". You won't find a single one. Anyone can sign a petition; what matters is if anyone of those thousands actually did some research and wrote an article about their beliefs
You are presenting crap that was debunked 5 years ago.
Please present a peer reviewed article by these "thousands of engineering professionals". You won't find a single one. Anyone can sign a petition; what matters is if anyone of those thousands actually did some research and wrote an article about their beliefs
You are presenting crap that was debunked 5 years ago.
these people have looked at the evidence presented and clearly come to the conclusion that explosives of some kind were used to bring these buildings down.
clearly these proffessionals from many different backgrounds have agreed to some extent of the information provided or else they would not have signed the petition.
this so called crap that was debunked 5 years ago - debunked by who ? the 9/11 commission , is this to whom you are referring ?
Bottom line is your arguing against the laws of physics which states that mass will not take the path of greatest resistance ,and that if fire caused the steel to be weakened we would have saw an asymmetric collapse where the steel had been weakened ,but suprisingly on 9/11 the path of greatest resistance was taken and this happened 3 times on both the world trade centers and building 7 . with even NIST admitting free fall speeds.- "November 2008 the NIST Final Report officially admitted that WTC-7 accelerated at freefall speed for 2.25 seconds."
the only way to achieve free fall is to remove mass in the world trace center case 90,000 tonnes of it - next to impossible in a gravity driven and fire induced collapse.
Anybody reading this who would like to have a look into this crime weather you belive it was done by fundamentalist muslims , elements of the american goverment or are not sure please take a look at the evidence for yourselves - architects and engineers for 9/11 truth web site http://www.ae911truth.org/ ,
NIST admits free fall - part 1 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eDvNS...eature=related
part 2 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iXTla...eature=related
part 3 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v3mud...eature=related
and please research dwain deets a retired nasa flight research director ,here is an audio interview with him on a AE raido show http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fckLLs_RdU4
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these people have looked at the evidence presented and clearly come to the conclusion that explosives of some kind were used to bring these buildings down.
No they haven't. Please provide a peer reviewed study to show that they did.
and no, explosive residue or even parts were found. Seeing as I had friends die in those buildings that day, and one my family members was right outside of North Tower when AA 11 Crashed into the building, you have a lot of BS coming out of you.
Seeing as you didn't provide a link to support your claims, you're just regurgitating 6 year old debunked BS.
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clearly these proffessionals from many different backgrounds have agreed to some extent of the information provided or else they would not have signed the petition.
Anyone can sign a petition. What matters is the content and study they've put fort. NOT one single of thes so called professionals have put forth a peer reviewed study that supports any of their claims.
Whereby, we have nearly 500 Techinical engineers, Structural engineers who put 5 years into a study, and published by NIST. A report that has been used WIDELY around the world to design BETTER and SAFER skyscrapers (the largest building in the WORLD - in Dubai - used the study by NIST to build their building)
If the report put out by NIST was so flagrantly flawed. so useless, why have engineers and architects AROUND the world not contest its findings?
You're still repeating debunked BS.
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this so called crap that was debunked 5 years ago - debunked by who ? the 9/11 commission , is this to whom you are referring ?
Debunked by NIST. You know the organization that pretty much over rules your clown posse of idiotic petitioners who didn't do a study
And the 9/11 Comission wasn't a technical or a engineering review.
Shows that you are as clueless about the investigations as you are about the details of the event.
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Bottom line is your arguing against the laws of physics which states that mass will not take the path of greatest resistance
blal bha lbah, nonsense about Building 7 a....fall times, etc more repeated and copy pasta from other truther sites. YOu have not presented any original or even new claims...blalh blah blah blah...all of the above is repeated truther crap. Path of least resistance? Uh dude, they fell straight down. THAT IS THE PATH of least resistance.
Ever heard of GRAVITY? You may want to investigate Newton since it seems now that you are also claiming that his theories are BS.
Get a life. You're 10 years too late.
Real Schools have done research by REAL engineers and architects proves you wrong:
The above is only a few of the researched and PUBLISHEd articles in RESPECTED journals and reports that have been done by REAL engineers. Many of them date to 2002. Truthers have yet to produce any study that contradicts the studies above. Truthers are morons.
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