Does Anyone Still Believe the "Official 9-11" Story? (identities, brainwashing)

[Arus]

Originally Posted by DifferentDrum

The very idea that rogue aircraft could get anywhere NEAR the Pentagon, or any of these high value targets, is preposterous. Those of you who truly believe our defense is that slow, that unprepared, and that undependable had better start a tax revolt.

you fail again. Scrambled jets for tHREATS that originated outside of the UNITED STATEs. that is the role of NEADS at the time. We never ever scrambled jets for threats ORIGINATING within the US.

All of the planes orginated within the US. WE HAD NO procedures to put into place.

WARNING TIME IN TOTAL : 15 min for the 2nd plane (no warning for the first) 20 minutes for Pentagon and -5 minute (YES they got the warning 5 minutes after it crashed) for Flight 93

It takes 20 minutes to ready and set planes in flight. and without ADDITONAL RADAr confirmation, THEY WOULDN"T KNOW WHAT planes to track

YOU FAIL at understanding our defense history

RENSE? YOU USE A WHITE SUPREMACIST WEBSITE?? yeah that destroys your credibility


YOU FAIL yet again.

[CrownVic95]

Originally Posted by DifferentDrum

No, the arguments cannot be tainted. There are so many questionable aspects about the official story that understanding it can be based on many facts. Each person's knowledge and life experience might draw him/her to find one thing or another to be impossible in the story and then the whole house of cards falls.

It is important to know THAT is was a fraud, HOW it was done in all the details can be sorted out later. If there is an easily identifiable robber in your living room, holding you at gunpoint, that's an obvious fact. How he got in your totally secure house and where he got his gun will come out in court- but won't change the fact of the matter. He got in and he had a gun- there is a way that it was accomplished.

Perhaps I should have been more specific, but was trying my best not to make it personal. It is your own credibility that you taint when you go straight into the Twilight Zone with stuff like "no planes".

Nobody has done anything beyond raising some legitimate questions and most certainly it has not been proven that it WAS a fraud. With your robber analogy you're right back into the Twilight Zone with never mind the facts.......I know damn well what happened.

If you've spent 75% of your free time on this for 5 years, perhaps it's time for a little break?

[h152cc2]

These people that believe 9/11 was an inside job are probably the same people who believe tomorrow is the end of the world.

Makes the zombies in the movie "The Crazies" look sane.

[legalsea]

Originally Posted by legalsea

Well, in about 40 years we will have a small group of people who will deny that the terrorist attacks of September 11, 2001, happened at all.

"Show me the twin towers that were destroyed", they will say.

"Those photographs of the twin towers prior to the so-called attack are fake."

"That television footage of the so-called attack is obviously from a movie made by Woody Allen in 2002".

"There is no eleventh day in September. The calendar jumps directly from the 10th to the 12th".

"Life on Earth began with my birth. Nothing happened or could have happened prior to my Existance."

I shall bump my own post. The crazies are afoot!

[workingclasshero]

Originally Posted by DifferentDrum

Bush's Brother In Charge Of Security At The WTC. Marvin P. Bush, the president's younger brother, was a principal in a company called Securacom that provided security for the World Trade Center, United Airlines, and Dulles International Airport. According to its present CEO, Barry McDaniel, the company had an ongoing contract to handle security at the World Trade Center up to the day the buildings fell down.

9/11 911 Truth - The Quick Facts

false

securacom got the contract for the electronic secturity after the 93 bombing..and LOST THAT CONTRACT(due to INCOMPETENCE) in 1998...to the LOCAL company EJ electric..for the electronic security....but the port authority had the actual security of the comples...AND there was a NYPD kiosk right in the lobby

and marvin was never in charge of anything..he was just a stockholder

[Jerseyt719]

Sorry, but I really find it offensive to those that lived and died through 9/11/01 to even read about such conspiracy theories.

These dead and their families suffered tremendously and to minimize the whole thing is disgusting.

May the dead rest in peace and their families find some peace.

[Mightyqueen801]

Originally Posted by DifferentDrum

Not one of the people you listed is in the Social Security death index. There were 94 "David Williams" listed, so since it is a common name, I looked at every one of them, even though I had put in the death date of 9/11/01 into the search box. He was not listed, in fact there was no listing of any "David Williams" having died at the age of 34. Certainly enough time has passed that all known victims should be listed by now.

This seems to be too many not listed- 100% of the names you graciously provided- to be a coincidence.

And proof of what? You believe the government pulled off this elaborate science-fiction-type operation, yet you hold one of their websites, the SS Index, to be holy writ against the word of a person who knew these people when they lived?

It took two second to do a search on the name of John DiFato.

SILive.com: Lives Remembered

You don't think this is a real person?

Originally Posted by DifferentDrum

They were all listed in the CNN memorial. I have not researched the Victim Compensation fund- and probably won't. It is not important to my understanding that the official fairy tale- is just that.

Wait a minute. You desperately want to believe that thousands of human did not really exist so badly that verifying the veracity of such a bizarre concept is "not important"? REALLY?

Originally Posted by DifferentDrum

I wanted you to see why there are questions when so many are are not in the SS death list. There are many, many more than the small list you provided as found by other researchers to not be in the SS death list.

Do I consider this to be exhaustive research? No, not by any stretch. There are several ways to access the SS index and it is true that not every deceased person is listed. Most are, however, as we know especially after this much time post death. But as a cursory search, I found none of them listed there.

This is just the fact of what I found in a brief search- with no disrespect for you, or anyone else, intended.

Research is not just looking for information to support a desired outcome. It also entails scrutinizing information that could contradict what you believe.

What you do sounds suspiciously similar to someone a few years back promoting a war by providing information about a certain country's weaponry without acknowledging the counter info that would indicate the information wasn't correct.

Anyway, bottom line is that no matter what you can or cannot find online, these people lived and were known and loved by too many still-living people for you to ever be able to persuade anyone with good sense that they are fake entities invented by the US government.

[Mightyqueen801]

Originally Posted by Arus

and he left the company in 2000 . YOU FAIL.

Screw Loose Change: Marvelous Marvin Bush

Secondly, Bush was only on the board of directors, he was not in any position to control the operations of the company.

Additionally, Stratesec was not responsible for security personnel at the World Trade Center, their role was purely electronic security. And they didn't even have that role on 9/11, their contract ended 3 years earlier (http://www.washingtonspectator.org/articles/20050215bushes_3.cfm - broken link)

That bizarre Marvin Bush being in charge of security story just doesn't die. It does demonstrate that these people who claim to have done research have no understanding of the WTC when it stood.

[ergohead]

Originally Posted by Mightyqueen801

That bizarre Marvin Bush being in charge of security story just doesn't die. It does demonstrate that these people who claim to have done research have no understanding of the WTC when it stood.

The CIA has prevented any information on Marvin from being made available to the public.

Marvin P. Bush - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

[GuyNTexas]

Originally Posted by Arus

you fail again. Scrambled jets for tHREATS that originated outside of the UNITED STATEs. that is the role of NEADS at the time. We never ever scrambled jets for threats ORIGINATING within the US.

All of the planes orginated within the US. WE HAD NO procedures to put into place.

Either several of you are the same person ... or you went to the same school of stupid ... and are now getting all of your talking points from from the Popular Mechanics Rag, and their lame arsed nonsensical "debunking" baloney.

The reality is, NORAD and the FAA have well established procedures that apply to all Civil Aviation regardless of origin ... and intercept procedures apply to any suspicion of difficulty .... the routine criteria for such procedures to be engaged are 1) an aircraft deviates 2 degrees from it's flight path and contact cannot be made with the flight deck crew 2) Transponder is off or inoperable 3) contact cannot be made between ATC and the flight deck crew for any reason. This applies to all aircraft operating in Commercial airspace, regardless of it's origin, destination, or physical location.

Furthermore ... even the the Popular Mechanics shills contradict your claim "We never ever scrambled jets for threats ORIGINATING within the US." They claim it was done "Once" in the previous dozen years ... Payne Stewart's Lear Jet. But both are bald faced lies. In the 12 months prior to September 11, 2001 .... (depending on which source you cite) at least 67 scramble orders were executed by NORAD (some sources claim over 100) for various violations from entering restricted airspace zones, to flightpath deviations, to communications difficulties. 67 in 12 months ... or at least one each week .... a far cry from the 1 in 12 years nonsense.

These issues simply don't make the headline news when they turn out to be nothing more than regulations violations or system malfunctions.

Originally Posted by Arus

WARNING TIME IN TOTAL : 15 min for the 2nd plane (no warning for the first) 20 minutes for Pentagon and -5 minute (YES they got the warning 5 minutes after it crashed) for Flight 93

It takes 20 minutes to ready and set planes in flight. and without ADDITONAL RADAr confirmation, THEY WOULDN"T KNOW WHAT planes to track

YOU FAIL at understanding our defense history

RENSE? YOU USE A WHITE SUPREMACIST WEBSITE?? yeah that destroys your credibility


YOU FAIL yet again.

You all sing the same tune don't you ... every last one of you .... yet Popular Mechanics is your bible for debunking 911 questions. That Rag is so full of blatant lies and fabrications ... they ought to go to jail.

Your time line is absolutely FALSE ... couldn't be more wrong, and the alleged departure and impact times of all 4 planes are well documented for anyone to inspect ....

I'm not going to post the time line for all 4 ... just one ..

7:59 AM - AA Flight 11 takes off from Boston to Los Angeles

8:13 AM - AAL-11 goes off course, and ATC is unable to contact Flight Deck

8:20 AM- AAL-11 transponder stops transmitting IFF

At this point, 8:20 AM - AAL-11 has met the criteria for intercept orders under FAA regulations, (26 minutes before the 8:46 AM impact of WTC) and all of the signs of a Hijack in progress are seen by ATC - ATC is then supposed to notify FAA-NORAD of a potential Hijack.

8:25 AM - Boston ATC notifies several ATC centers of AAL-11 Hijack in progress.

8:40 AM - FAA notifies NORAD of AAL-11 Hijack (27 minutes after AAL-11 aircraft off course and ATC loses contact)

No warning at all for the first plane? YOU FAIL ..... there was 27 minutes for action ..... 20 inexplicable minutes of delay in notifying NORAD of a Hijack .... while Otis AFB is a 10 minute flight from NYC.

But ... even this is somewhat deceiving ... since NORAD would obviously be monitoring communications ... NORAD would hear the calls from Boston ATC to the other ATC centers that took place at 8:25 notifying them of a hijack and be fully aware of the situation. In any event, why was Boston ATC notifying other centers of a Hijack ... yet wait 15 more minutes before notifying NORAD ? The answer is, they wouldn't have .... this stinks of dead fish in the blazing sun .... a full 27 minutes passed after Boston ATC first lost contact with AAL-11 before they notify NORAD ?

No-freaking-way ... this is a cover story to explain why NORAD didn't issue scramble orders at 8:25 AM ... 21 minutes before AAL-11 allegedly strikes the WTC ... allowing plenty of time for Otis AFB to get fighters in the air.

And this is just the beginning of "stinky" .... UAL-175 is off course and out of contact by the time NORAD issues scramble orders to Otis AFB ... and by the time Otis has fighters in the air, AAL-77 reverses course over Ohio, and is heading back toward Washington DC at 8:55 AM ...

By 9:02 AM ... two planes have already hit both WTC Towers (allegedly) and now AAL-77 has reversed course, and is heading toward Washington ... but according to NORAD, they are not notified of AAL-77 hijacking until 9:24 AM ? It was off course and not responding at 8:55 .... one plane had already hit the WTC, and another hijacking in progress which will hit the WTC at 9:02 ... and the ATC waits for 29 minutes before notifying NORAD of AAL-77 hijacking ... heading straight for DC?

Here we have two airliners already crashed into the two WTC Towers ... and AAL-77 has pulled a mid-air U-turn, and is heading toward the Nations Capitol .... where the Pentagon is ... where the White House is ... where the Capitol and Congress are ... and the FAA decides not to bother NORAD for 29 minutes about AAL-77 ? Jesus Christmas ... if this isn't the most absurd story ever told ... and it just gets more absurd the longer you listen ....

Of course all of this is going on ... and NORAD finally scrambles Jets at Langley AFB .... but nothing happens at Andrews AFB ... 10 miles away from the Pentagon? And don't give me this nonsense about Andrews not being part of the NEADS system either ... it's home base for two fighter wings of the Air National Guard, and regardless of whether they were part of the fast response system, they would not just sit on their thumbs and do nothing with NYC being clearly under attack and a plane heading right towards Washington.

After the Pentagon was allegedly hit by AAL-77 ... then, Andrews AFB joined in on the CAP set up around DC?

To believe this cockamamie nonsense, you literally have to be mentally ill.