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the problem is YOU only see/hear "boxcutter' you dont hear the REST OF THE story..."I have a bomb, dont move"
so hero, are you going to take the CHANCE to move against the terrorist...come on hero answer the question
Yes, coward, because I am in a plane, in the air, no where to go. I am likely going to die anyway. The alleged hijackers are far outnumbered by the alleged passengers. If there's a bomb, I want to subdue all who might detonate it. Obviously, if there is a bomb, it might go off no matter what- but our only chance is to subdue and disarm- yes, pry those box cutters out from their smashed and stomped fingers.
BTW- you added in a "bomb" that is not part of the official fairy story and was not not mentioned as a threat in any of the phony phone calls. Nice.
Yes, coward, because I am in a plane, in the air, no where to go. I am likely going to die anyway. The alleged hijackers are far outnumbered by the alleged passengers. If there's a bomb, I want to subdue all who might detonate it. Obviously, if there is a bomb, it might go off no matter what- but our only chance is to subdue and disarm- yes, pry those box cutters out from their smashed and stomped fingers.
BTW- you added in a "bomb" that is not part of the official fairy story and was not not mentioned as a threat in any of the phony phone calls. Nice.
Three heavily reinforced steel frame buildings collapsed at free fall speed on 9-11. One of which was not even touched by an airplane, the other 2 had relatively minor damage and fires burning, and were built to withstand multiple air crashes. No steel framed skyscraper has ever collapsed due to fire before in history.
There were molten pools of steel found at the bottom of all 3 buildings that burned for months. Fires produced by the jet fuel did not come close to that required to produce those pools.
The buildings were relatively bare of flammable materials, and were designed to isolate fires.
Who planted the explosives? Well, a security company with ties to Marvin Bush presided over the building for months before 9-11. Occupants reported banks of elevators being made unavailable for use for days at a time, and loud rumbling noises were heard on supposedly vacant floors.
So you are suggesting that Bush and the Republicans were somehow complicit in the 9/11 tragedy?and do you suppose they perpetrated this heinous crime on America to justify starting wars in Afghanistan and Iraq so that some people could make more money by supplying the war effort? If so do you really want to vote this type of party back into power?
""Passengers on three flights reported the hijackers’ claim of having a bomb.""(page 13)
DON'T YOU CALL ANYONE A LIAR ..... after you present this steaming pile of crap as evidence .... the 911 Omission Report .... this crap should be placed in the Fiction section of book stores ... or better yet, used as prima fascia evidence to prosecute the criminals, including the report writers themselves.
The fact is, it would take me WEEKS, if not MONTHS to highlight the voluminous amounts of pure nonsensical garbage contained in this collection of tripe .... but lets dissect just a little bit of it here (from your link) the Commission report text in blue, and my comments in red:
From 911 Commission Report (page 18) In sum, the protocols in place on 9/11 for the FAA and NORAD to respond to a hijacking presumed that:
- the hijacked aircraft would be readily identifiable and would not attempt to disappear
- there would be time to address the problem through the appropriate FAA and NORAD chains of command, and
- the hijacking would take the traditional form: that is, it would not be a suicide hijacking designed to convert the aircraft into a guided missile.
They want you to believe that they expected any hijacking to proceed in some "traditional" form, and it never occurred to them that hijackers might attempt to evade detection. You really have to be out of your mind stupid to buy this nonsense ... and it just gets more absurd as you read further.
Furthermore, they believed that there would be plenty of time to negotiate a dozen layers of nonsensical bureaucracy, and figure out what to do on the fly .. as an emergency unfolds, including conference calls to each other. to the Airlines, and to other planes in the air. And that no one anticipated terrorists would contemplate a suicide attack? Who in there right minds are going to believe such nonsense .... terrorists don't ever engage in suicide missions, do they? Never heard of them going to such extremes have we? No reason to believe they'd do that, do we? Come on!!!
Where have we heard this before? This all sounds familiar ... Kinda-Lies-a-lot Rice said pretty much the same thing LONG before the investigation and report, and so did Bush ... "nobody ever expected the terrorists to use the plane as a weapon" ? Really Ms. Rice? Then why were the Pentagon and NORAD running exercises on the morning of 9/11, emulating exactly that scenario? And other documented exercises prior to 9/11 also had hijacked aircraft used as weapons ... including a drill at the Pentagon involving a plane crashing into it months before 911? And, WHY was this information omitted from the commission's report? Was it not noteworthy ... even from the standpoint of astonishing coincidence?
Wouldn't it be reasonable to consider this element significant since it could indicate a possible leak of classified information (rather than just an assumed coincidence) ... alerting the terrorists of planned military air defense exercises for which the terrorists could piggyback and use as cover for their real attack? Would that not be inline with the goal of the investigation to understand what happened and thereby strengthen our defenses to prevent future attacks? Nah ... it's an irrelevant little coincidence .. nothing to see here folks!
(page 18 cont.)
American Airlines Flight 11 - FAA Awareness
Although the Boston Center air traffic controller realized at an early stage that there was something wrong with American 11, he did not immediately interpret the plane's failure to respond as a sign that it had been hijacked. At 8:14, when the flight failed to heed his instructions to climb to 35,000 feet, the controller repeatedly tried to raise the flight. He reached out to the pilot on the emergency frequency. Though there was no response, he kept trying to contact the aircraft.
So .... he knew there was a problem early on, and he couldn't establish contact, and the flight deck was not following instructions or responding ... so he simply kept trying ... like the commercial "can you hear me now .... can you hear me now? That's the story?
(page 18 Cont.) At 8:21, American 11 turned off it's transponder, immediately degrading the information available about the aircraft. The controller told his supervisor that he thought something was seriously wrong with the plane, although neither suspected a hijacking. The supervisor instructed the controller to follow standard procedure for handling a "no radio" aircraft.
Let's see ... they suspected something wrong early on ... the controller was unable to establish communications with the flight deck ... the pilot was not following controller instructions to climb to 35,000 feet, and then the transponder was turned off ... yet he and his supervisor arbitrarily assumed a radio problem ... and not suspecting foul play? RIDICULOUS. This is an emergency ... and the aircraft posed a severe danger to air traffic safety at that stage, and ALL of the alarm bells should have been going off.
(page 19 cont.) The controller checked to see if American Airlines could establish communication with American 11. He became even more concerned as its route changed, moving into another sector's airspace. Controllers immediately began to move aircraft out of it's path, and asked other aircraft in the vicinity to look for American 11. At 8:24:38, the following transmission came from American 11:
American 11: we have some planes. Just stay quiet, and you'll be OK. We are returning to the airport.
The controller only heard something unintelligible; he did not hear the specific words "we have some planes". The next transmission came seconds later :
American 11: nobody move. Everything will be OK. If you try to make any moves, you'll endanger yourself and the airplane. Just stay quiet.
So, the controller can't get the plane to follow instructions ... can't establish contact, it is off course, it's transponder is turned off, so he calls American Airlines? "Hey guys .. you've got a plane off course, it isn't responding, and it's transponder is turned off ... can you guys give them a call? Then, he calls the other planes in the area ... can you find our missing plane?
The controller told us that he knew it was a hijacking. He alerted his supervisor, who assigned another controller to assist him. He redoubled his efforts to ascertain the flight's altitude. Because the controller didn't understand the initial transmission, the Manager of Boston Center instructed his quality assurance specialist to "pull the tape" of the radio transmission, listen to it closely, and report back.
I wonder what was the first clue? The plane off course ... not following instructions ... no radio contact ... no transponder signal ... or was it the Arab voice saying "We have planes ... nobody move" ? And the crack management decision is to assign the "Quality Assurance Specialist" to go listen to the tape, figure out what was said, and report back ... rather than notifying FAA of a hijack in progress, and a rogue plane entering congested airspace at an unknown altitude and heading? GIVE ME A DAMN BREAK. Anybody that believes this has "empty airspace" between their friggin' ears.
Between 8:25 and 8:32, in accordance with the FAA protocol. Boston Center managers started notifying their chain of command that American 11 had been hijacked. At 8:28, Boston Center called the command center in Herndon to advise that it believed American 11 had been hijacked and was heading toward New York Center's airspace.
By this time, American 11 had taken a dramatic turn to the south. At 8:32, the command center passed word of a possible hijacking to the Operations Center at FAA Headquarters. The duty officer replied that security personnel at headquarters had just begun discussing the apparent hijack on a conference call with the New England regional office. FAA headquarters began to follow the hijack protocol but did not contact the NMCC to request a fighter escort.
Conference calls, but no alert to the military for assistance or just an FYI?
The Herndon Command Center immediately established a teleconference between Boston, New York and Cleveland Centers so that Boston Center could help the others understand what was happening. At 8:34, Boston Center controller received a third transmission from American 11:
American 11: nobody move please. We are going back to the airport. Don't try to make any stupid moves.
So, all of the ATC control centers are on a big conference call trying to figure out what was happening? A HIJACK IS HAPPENING!!! Here we have our precious tax dollars hard at work!!
(page 20 cont.) Military Notification and Response - Boston Center did not follow the protocol in seeking military assistance through prescribed chain of command. In addition to notifications within the FAA, Boston Center took the initiative, at 8:34, to contact the military through the FAA's Cape Cod facility. The center also tried to contact a former alert site in Atlantic City, unaware it had been phased out. At 8:37:52, Boston Center reached NEADS. This was the first notification received by the military - at any level - that American 11 had been hijacked.
So, we have an elapsed time of 23 freaking minutes of a plane off course, not responding to controller instructions (8:14), no radio contact, no transponder, entering another sector and posing a danger to all air traffic in the busiest airspace in the country, before the Boston Center "took the initiative" and cut through the red tape bureaucracy and notified the military themselves? Of course, that's after all of their internal conference calls, assigning quality assurance to analyze the terrorists garbled transmissions, calling the Airline for help, calling all of the planes in the area to look for the missing plane ... etc.
more ......
Radar data show the Otis fighters were airborne at 8:53. Lacking a target (American 11 struck the WTC at 8:46) they were vectored toward military-controlled airspace off the Long Island coast. To avoid New York area air traffic and uncertain about what to do, the fighters were brought down to military airspace to "hold as needed". From 9:09 to 9:13 the Otis fighters stayed in this holding pattern.
So, Boston cuts through the red tape, notifies the military at 8:37 of a hijack, and it takes NEADS Otis AFB another 15 minutes (8:53) to get alert jets airborne? 15 more minutes? That's 39 minutes after American 11 was off course, not responding and no transponder ....and 29 minutes after Boston received the 1st .. "we have planes" transmission, and the 2nd ... "nobody move" from the hijackers?
Even before the fighters are airborne (8:53) American 11 is supposed to have struck the first WTC Tower (8:45) ... so the fighters are redirected to a holding pattern off Long Island, because their target had already crashed? But what about United 175?
Let's look.
(page 22 cont.)
At about 8:55, the controller in charge notified a New York Center manager that she believed that United Flight 175 had also been hijacked. The manager tried to notify the regional managers but was told they were discussing a hijacked aircraft (presumably American 11) and refused to be disturbed.
Excuse me? American 11 had already allegedly struck the WTC at 8:45 ... now there is another hijack, United 175 ... but the Air Traffic Center managers refused to be disturbed in their conference calls discussing the hijacking of American 11? Not even for another hijacking? Did anyone say "I think they'd probably forgive being disturbed for another freaking hijacked plane heading towards NYC ???
How much of a moron would you have to be to believe this load of horse manure?
The "other aircraft" referred to by New York Center was United 175. Evidence indicates that this conversation was the only notice received by either FAA headquarters or the Herndon Command Center prior to the second crash that there had been a second hijacking.
While the Command Center was told about this "other aircraft" at 9:01. New York Center contacted New York terminal approach control and asked for help in locating Flight 175.
And we are to believe that the military has launched intercept jets that are airborne at 8:53 and in route toward NYC ... there is chatter about another hijack (Flight 175) over the communications lines (which surely must be being monitored in real time by the military at this stage) but they redirect those fighters away from NYC and put them in a holding pattern off the Long Island coast rather than setting up a Combat Air Patrol around NYC and the already burning and smoking Tower? Give me a freaking break.
Now this is just a small sample covering 5 pages out of 585 pages ... and from just one section. I've read a significant portion of this work of fiction, and the small amount highlighted here is representative of the entire work ... that is ... few pages can be found that aren't rife with similarly idiotic claims, absurd contentions and blathering nonsense.
It's the most blatantly obvious whitewash scam of the century ... and anyone with an IQ that exceeds their waist size, recognizes what a half baked farce this thing is.
It reminds me of the testimony General Meyers gave to congress when being questioned about the military air defense exercises taking place on the morning of 911 ..... the questions suggested that those exercises may have contributed to the failure, by causing confusion with phantom hijacked planes inserted into the radar .. and the diverting of response jets away from the paths of the real hijacked plane planes ... wherein Gen Meyers made the astonishing declaration that the exercises actually enhanced the military's response, rather than detracted from it. Apparently, it might have been worse than a complete strike out without the exercises enhancing military response times
At every turn, you cite this kind of pure official whitewash hogwash ... and if you actually believe this preposterous nonsense, well, you're to be pitied.
Your post is just incredulity laced with ignorance and seeing that you are ignorant about everything that happened on that day, I'm just going to address the real issue at hand, since YOU and your other ilk are nothing more than callous and disgusting individuals who rather sling mud and believe in fantasy than accept reality:
You can remain in your ignorance and believe that the Republican governemtn at the time masterminded this conspiracy, but your evidence for that is zip, zilch nada. Not one person from this truth movement ever presented anything that was "true". Just made up lies, and rumors, and hearsay, bad science and logical leaps that would make Newton twist in his grave.
But, this also should dress the point: YOU TRUTHERS do not care about the truth, the victims or anyone at all. REAL people died that day. REAL people's lives were affected by those attacks. AND REAL people are still coping with their loss.
And all I see a morons who call themselves truthseekers do nothing but DRAG those victims into the mud. Your ilk have gone so far as call them liars, Your ilk have gone so far as saying they don't exist.
This is Bernard Brown. He was Age 11 when he boarded American Airlines Flight 77, placed on this flight by his father, before he went to work that morning.
Tell me, where is Bernard Brown today, if he didn't board Flight 77. The plane that crashed in the Pentagon on 9/11
And there are 2900 more of them. ALl real. All gone, taken from this by people who wish to do harm on the US.
Al Quaeda is real. Their hatred of the US is not unknown. Their first try in 1993 didn't work, so they tried again.
You need to get a life, instead of holding on to a fairy tale, espoused by discredited people, with an agenda
Al Quaeda is real. Their hatred of the US is not unknown. Their first try in 1993 didn't work, so they tried again.
Come on... don't you know the government was "behind" that one, too?
But you're right... where are all the people on those four airplanes if no airplanes were hijacked?
Yes, coward, because I am in a plane, in the air, no where to go. I am likely going to die anyway. The alleged hijackers are far outnumbered by the alleged passengers. If there's a bomb, I want to subdue all who might detonate it. Obviously, if there is a bomb, it might go off no matter what- but our only chance is to subdue and disarm- yes, pry those box cutters out from their smashed and stomped fingers.
Good to hear from another one of the few who weren't part of GNT and Different Drum's conspiracy.
I know there are a couple more out there somewhere.
Fleet has already run them through a trial in his head.
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You really have to be out of your mind stupid to buy this nonsense ... and it just gets more absurd as you read further.
