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Old 05-07-2021, 01:13 PM
 
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Easy access and the rampant gun worship culture in the United States is sadly going to result in some percentage of mentally unstable kids acting out badly when they are given such easy access to guns by their gun-worshiping parents.

To clarify upfront, there's a difference between people who own a firearm and keep it safely secured in the house for hunting/target practice/worst case scenario protection (although there is also a risk there that someone in the household becomes the victim/perpetrator rather than the "bad guy") and people who seem to worship and obsess over guns and that rubs off on their kids as a way to "solve" problems.
As opposed to what, "difficult access?"

Why should a legal product, guaranteed by the constitution, be "difficult" to access?

What other constitutional rights should be "difficult" to access?

Give some specifics instead of just liberal bumper sticker BS.
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Old 05-07-2021, 01:19 PM
 
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Again, if one is listening, it's not about the guns. Many decades ago when I was in elementary school, I often brought knives to school to protect myself. The gun is simply a symptomatic response to the underlying problem that society refuses to address. Eliminate the guns, give each other high fives, and move on, simply shifts the manifestation of the problem without addressing the problem.
That is it in a nutshell. Actually, it's underlying problems. It is too tough to address those though, and much easier just to blame guns.
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Old 05-07-2021, 01:29 PM
 
Location: Wisconsin
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We need to make it illegal for 6th graders to buy guns., or at least have more stringent background checks for them
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Old 05-07-2021, 01:36 PM
 
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We need to make it illegal for 6th graders to buy guns., or at least have more stringent background checks for them
Yep while we're at it, let's make it illegal for them to kill people too!
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Old 05-07-2021, 01:44 PM
 
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So very sad. That a 6th grade girl would do this is extremely disturbing. We are failing these young people...
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Old 05-07-2021, 02:02 PM
 
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Why does every single head of state in the entire world protect themselves with a firearm.

Are they not aware that firearms "don't make you more safe?"

Why does every "important person" have armed security? Did they not get the memo either?
Oh I dunno, perhaps because heads of state are politically motivated targets?

Is the average American Joe citizen a "target".

Understanding the term "potential risk" and applying it to why so many Americans think firearms are a solution rather than the problem might be a place to start.

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Old 05-07-2021, 02:07 PM
 
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Oh I dunno, perhaps because heads of state are politically motivated targets?

Is the average American Joe citizen "target".

Understanding the term "potential risk" and applying it to why so many Americans think firearms are a solution rather than the problem might be a place to start.
What is inherently wrong with doing the same thing Barack Obama does though regarding self defense?

Why wouldn't people think that firearms are a good solution to the problem of defending one's self?

I mean, that's been the cases for hundreds and hundreds and hundreds of years now.

How would you recommend a 65 year old lady defend herself against a young male intent on doing her bodily harm?

We're all ears, once again.
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Old 05-07-2021, 02:11 PM
 
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Where did you get that information? I'd wager that every country in the world has had a kid bring a gun to school at some point.

It's EXTRAORDINARILY RARE, even the in the United States.

You have a better chance of hitting the powerball than being shot by a student in a school.

Are you sure you're understanding macro statistics?

And what would you propose be done to stop a random individual in a country of 330 million from breaking the law.

We're all ears.
Oh sure; demand an easy-peazy answer to a complex problem. This problem, if you hadn't noticed, has festered and been dismissed by 'thoughts and prayers' for decades.

It is not going away because you wash your hands due to finding no 'one-size-fits-all' answer to it.

How many households in the U.S. do you think the answer to a problem like bullying is some form of violence, any violence?

Specifically; how many households do you think it's possible the progeny have heard something like "if he did that to me or mine I'd cap his azz"? Think that happens more in the U.S. than elsewhere?
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Old 05-07-2021, 02:15 PM
 
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Oh sure; demand an easy-peazy answer to a complex problem. This problem, if you hadn't noticed, has festered and been dismissed by 'thoughts and prayers' for decades.

It is not going away because you wash your hands due to finding no 'one-size-fits-all' answer to it.

How many households in the U.S. do you think the answer to a problem like bullying is some form of violence, any violence?

Specifically; how many households do you think it's possible the progeny have heard something like "if he did that to me or mine I'd cap his azz"? Think that happens more in the U.S. than elsewhere?
I've been involved in the shooting sports since I was about 6 years old and I've NEVER heard people talk like that.

I'm sure in the inner city ganglands, they do. If you're talking about that, I agree, they need to have better parenting and probably not glorify rap music and the thug life, etc.

Otherwise, I have no idea what you're talking about.
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Old 05-07-2021, 02:17 PM
 
Location: East of the Burgh.
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Or they can just put security, and screening before letting anyone within campus like airports do. Plus schools should be more regimented. No need for individuality. If everyone wearing same uniform, and same backpack be much easier to screen them.

Schools really need to be done differently. I bet this girl shooter was picked on, and looking for revenge. Its not the fault of the girl she was bullied. Its the school atmosphere.
We don't know where the gun came from but I would be willing to bet from her parents house and if that is the case then they should be held accountable. That gun should have been secured when having kids in the house, no excuses.

It's the parents stupid!
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