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A mom is telling hr own child that she believes that killing a baby in the womb is OK.
Makes sense that it would apply directly to her own children. That if she thinks it's OK, she considered killing them because it was here choice. And it was her choice NOT to kill them. But she could've.
Kids are smart. They figure these things out.
My daughter as most women know supporting choice means no such thing.
Biology Science uses classifications, where as human is a species. Fetus is a scientific word that means, unborn offspring of a human species. People use these words, so as to dehumanize the subject. In the use of biology and its terms, a fetus is an unborn offspring of a human species, until the day it is born. It is not to be used as a gauge so as to determine when the unborn offspring, begins to feel pain. To know more about that, consult the field of Biology and those that have studied the fetus at different stages of its gestation.
Biology Science uses classifications, where as human is a species. Fetus is a scientific word that means, unborn offspring of a human species. People use these words, so as to dehumanize the subject. In the use of biology and its terms, a fetus is an unborn offspring of a human species, until the day it is born. It is not to be used as a gauge so as to determine when the unborn offspring, begins to feel pain. To know more about that, consult the field of Biology and those that have studied the fetus at different stages of its gestation.
There is no such thing as “unborn”. That is a stupid word utilized to manipulate opinion. At 12-16 weeks, the fetus is not sentient, intelligent, or anything remotely approaching what we consider to be a person. It is a mass of precursor cells and a woman should have the right to remove it for any or no reason. Until time and transformation occur, there is no person other than the woman. And her decision is the only one that should matter.
That all changed when fetal homicide laws were codified. It's homicide, a human killing another human. The same thing happens in abortion, a human kills another human.
Some states mention specific exemptions for abortion. Others do not. I would think that the national ruling of Roe vs. Wade would neutralize state laws on fetal homicide that don't make exemptions for abortions.
Biology Science uses classifications, where as human is a species. Fetus is a scientific word that means, unborn offspring of a human species. People use these words, so as to dehumanize the subject. In the use of biology and its terms, a fetus is an unborn offspring of a human species, until the day it is born. It is not to be used as a gauge so as to determine when the unborn offspring, begins to feel pain. To know more about that, consult the field of Biology and those that have studied the fetus at different stages of its gestation.
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There is no such thing as “unborn”. That is a stupid word utilized to manipulate opinion. At 12-16 weeks, the fetus is not sentient, intelligent, or anything remotely approaching what we consider to be a person. It is a mass of precursor cells and a woman should have the right to remove it for any or no reason. Until time and transformation occur, there is no person other than the woman. And her decision is the only one that should matter.
Compare your statement to mine in the field of Biology to understand the facts as they have been presented.
What do animals think or feel that is comparable to a fetus or a comatose human? What is the common link? Can you provide a description?
I can, most definitely, provide a description. It's not so much about what they'll feel...so much as what they won't think or feel. Both animals and fetuses are lacking the knowledge of death humans have. They lack the ability to fear death, due to that lack of knowledge. Many animals, like fetuses, will also have no ability to mourn the dead, especially if they're not social organisms. Animals, like fetuses, won't have long term goals that can be ended through death. Animals, like fetuses, won't have a thorough enough of an understanding of what life and death are to know whether or not they want to live.
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You say a comatose patient is not human, what are they? An animal? What type animal? A 'brain dead type animal' is not specific enough. What animal classification do they fall under?
The genome that comprises a living 'human' comes under the purview of science, not philosophy. There is no 'I think this, so this is so' nonsense will change that.
I believe I said "brain-dead comatose patient" rather than merely "comatose patient." Comatose patients can recover...so they're still human.
I don't see what's wrong with "brain-dead type animal." I don't know what greater specifications you'd be looking for, or what purpose any different categorization would serve. The point is...a brain-dead comatose person, like an ameoba, or an insect, may still be alive, but they're lacking all the traits that result in us considering the murder of human beings morally wrong. The same can be applied to fetuses...at minimum, before they can experience pain.
How humans are scientifically classified is nothing more than trivial semantics. Ethics are important when discussing abortion...not meaningless classifications that make no impact on ethics, as I've stated previously.
There is no such thing as “unborn”. That is a stupid word utilized to manipulate opinion.
That is as ridiculous a statement as "a fetus is not human". I don't know where people come up with this nonsense, and then expect others to believe it. "Understanding your unborn baby" https://www.womans.org/our-services/...fetus-in-utero
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At 12-16 weeks, the fetus is not sentient, intelligent, or anything remotely approaching what we consider to be a person.
The debate concerning "personhood" has been long and ongoing. That aspect aside, the zygote, fetus, whatever you wish to call it, from conception is alive and developing.
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It is a mass of precursor cells and a woman should have the right to remove it for any or no reason. Until time and transformation occur, there is no person other than the woman. And her decision is the only one that should matter.
There is life. The "mass of precursor cells" will at no time be any more alive than it is now. The decision is made to either nurture it or end it. To end it for "no reason" seems rather barbaric. That you refer to it as a mass of cells is irrelevant to the process.
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I can, most definitely, provide a description. It's not so much about what they'll feel...so much as what they won't think or feel. Both animals and fetuses are lacking the knowledge of death humans have. They lack the ability to fear death, due to that lack of knowledge. Many animals, like fetuses, will also have no ability to mourn the dead, especially if they're not social organisms. Animals, like fetuses, won't have long term goals that can be ended through death. Animals, like fetuses, won't have a thorough enough of an understanding of what life and death are to know whether or not they want to live.
I believe I said "brain-dead comatose patient" rather than merely "comatose patient." Comatose patients can recover...so they're still human.
I don't see what's wrong with "brain-dead type animal." I don't know what greater specifications you'd be looking for, or what purpose any different categorization would serve. The point is...a brain-dead comatose person, like an ameoba, or an insect, may still be alive, but they're lacking all the traits that result in us considering the murder of human beings morally wrong. The same can be applied to fetuses...at minimum, before they can experience pain.
How humans are scientifically classified is nothing more than trivial semantics. Ethics are important when discussing abortion...not meaningless classifications that make no impact on ethics, as I've stated previously.
Also for a better understanding of the ethics that surround the unborn, it is also important to note the 'rights of the unborn', as decades of case law has been presented so as to establish legal precedence of their legal rights.
btw: Science is not on your side and you know this otherwise, you'd bring in the Biology journals to back up your claims.
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