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Although the latest Texan ruling on abortion is bad and women should have a choice, “the war on women” is pure nonsense. An unnecessary stretch and dramatisation in an already loaded atmosphere.
Just remember that contrary to what you believe, lots of women support this abortion law. Yes, there are women voices you prefer to ignore. When Trump was elected in 2016, he was elected with millions of women votes in contrast to liberals declaring him the “enemy of women” and his “war on women”. There is no war on women who at 51% are the majority of the population!
This is definitely a war on women as well as their health care providers.
The snitch part of the bill is a war on all Americans. It is totally contrary to American values.
You are in for a rude awakening lol. Most Republican women did not support Trump for any of his pandering positions on abortion.
But, I would be satisfied if we just gave Texas back to Mexico at this point.
How can there be "sonograms and documentation" if there aren't women who get abortions being sued? What woman in her right mind would give permission for this HIPAA violation to be used against her friends and family and medical care team? None, is the answer.
The act very clearly says the women themselves cannot be sued. It also clearly requires providers to perform a test to determine whether there is a heartbeat and note the result in the woman's medical chart. This would presumably be used by the provider to show s/he followed the law and the pregnancy was early enough along to be allowed under the act. If the provider fails to include the result of the test in the chart, then the bounty can be collected from the provider and aiders/abetters.
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The entire purpose of doing it this way, is to make the abortion providers fold up tent and move. To make them realize truthfully, that they will be sued to the point they won't have time for anything else than defend themselves if they provide abortion services.
I agree with you. If opponents of abortion are part they actually WON'T pursue bounties and just let this happen, but since anyone can file for a bounty, someone will. Then there will be someone with standing to challenge the act, but by the time it winds its way though the courts the providers will have shut down.
How can there be "sonograms and documentation" if there aren't women who get abortions being sued? What woman in her right mind would give permission for this HIPAA violation to be used against her friends and family and medical care team? None, is the answer.
The entire purpose of doing it this way, is to make the abortion providers fold up tent and move. To make them realize truthfully, that they will be sued to the point they won't have time for anything else than defend themselves if they provide abortion services.
Do you think in the process of a civil complaint, the complainant goes before a judge, and the judge looks at the evidence and determines if it's valid before the plaintiff can contact the defendant?
NO. That's not how it works. How it works is, the plaintiff (or his attorney) contacts the defendant who then has to go through pre-trial dispositions, and they go to court and the defendant has to show up or he loses by default.
And he has no recourse to make them stop - nothing to threaten them with. No weapons whatsoever.
The Total Meltdown of abortion providers and women's advocates is 100% justified here, and you're just viewing this law as a much more reasonable, much more typical law.
It isn't. It's a purple thorned platypus. You're giving these lawmakers MUCH too much credit, for being reasonable and even handed.
And, it's worked. Abortion providers have shut down, pending clarification and help from legal remedies.
A couple things. First the fact that Texas is not technically restricting a woman's right to get an abortion they are just making it more expensive to provide one and for that it might stand.
Second thing what is to stop blue states from doing the same thing with guns? Allowing people to sue over death or injury when a firearm is used against others. There would be limitless ways to connect others from the gun makers to gun sellers to others that might have assisted the shooter. Would this violate the 2nd amendment? Perhaps not. Anyone could own a firearm but obtaining one legally would end.
How can there be "sonograms and documentation" if there aren't women who get abortions being sued? What woman in her right mind would give permission for this HIPAA violation to be used against her friends and family and medical care team? None, is the answer.
That was my question, how does someone suing one of these clinics get access to records to determine they are in violation of the law. There is nothing stopping them from filing suit but seems access to details would be off limits.
What exactly did this injunction prevent? It prevented ONE Pro-Life Group from bringing a Lawsuit on something that has not occurred to an imaginary person.
That’s it. That is all it did and I expect that Injunction against a Group over a non-occurrence to not last very long.
This Total Meltdown Hysteria is nuts. I have zero doubt that proper lawsuits will come at proper times, I feel certain that parts of The Texas Heartbeat Law will be overturned at the Supreme Court.
Hair on Fire Hysterical Meltdowns won’t rush that up.
I would remind everyone once again …. This is a Law about Sonograms and Documentation.
The injunction protected the clinic from the pro-life group, something SCOTUS could have easily done on a broader scale to prevent this mess.
Easy for you to dismiss this as hysterics you're not the one heading to a clinic in New Mexico for a few days because of the ruling.
I would hope that the law will be overturned at some point since 6 weeks is absurd, meanwhile other states are planning similar laws.
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That was my question, how does someone suing one of these clinics get access to records to determine they are in violation of the law. There is nothing stopping them from filing suit but seems access to details would be off limits.
That’s how I see it. The purpose of this is to make providers become full time busy defending themselves against unwinnable lawsuits because the only way they could possibly lose is not to show up in court. And that will consume all their time and resources.
That was my question, how does someone suing one of these clinics get access to records to determine they are in violation of the law. There is nothing stopping them from filing suit but seems access to details would be off limits.
No one I have seen address this seems to know how that would work. So far, they are only giving as an example someone who would have personal knowledge of the woman having an abortion.....i.e. someone she told.
No one really has to sue for Texas to continue this all out war on women.
Providers will stop performing abortions when they detect cardiac activity so they can't be sued successfully. And, that will ban most abortions in Texas.
Not, clear to me why a woman denied an abortion under this law doesn't have standing to sue that the law is a violation of her civil rights and unconstitutional.
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