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Old 07-19-2021, 08:34 AM
 
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Back in March, the nation of Gibraltar boasted about their successful vaccination program.

Gibraltar Vaccinates Entire Adult Population in 9 Weeks Thanks to Supplies From the U.K.

Gibraltar became the first nation to vaccinate its entire adult population on Friday, just over two months since administering its first vaccination, thanks to the supplies provided by the U.K.

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According to Picardo, as of midnight on Tuesday, Gibraltar had administered 48,296 inoculations, including 29,667 first doses and 18,629 second doses.

The announcement from Hancock comes roughly nine weeks after Gibraltar administered its first vaccination. On January 10, the Gibraltar Health Authority announced on its Facebook page that Robert Durrell, a 93-year-old resident was the first to be vaccinated.


OK… great. But now…

COVID rules are tightened as cases rise – 534/2021

Given our successful vaccination programme, the practice until recently has been that a vaccinated close contact of a positive case no longer needed to self-isolate. That person could leave home as long as a mask was worn in all settings, and could even continue to go to work depending on the circumstances of the workplace.

The public is advised that those rules have now changed. The reason for this is because the Delta variant of the virus is more contagious and therefore spreads more quickly. This means that if someone in a household contracts the disease, the likelihood is that other members of that same household will follow.

Household contacts of a positive case are now required to self-isolate whether they have been vaccinated or not. The Contact Tracing Bureau will at first circulate a text message to all known contacts. This will be followed by a telephone call to each of them where the details surrounding the nature of the contact will be discussed, looked at more closely and new instructions issued accordingly.

In addition to this, the Government urges the public to follow the advice that has been given throughout the pandemic. This includes washing hands regularly with soap and water, or where not available, the use of hand sanitisers instead. It remains important to keep your distance from others and to avoid large crowds or gatherings if you are elderly or otherwise vulnerable in any way. It is still a legal requirement to wear a mask in certain settings, like shops and public transport.


It’s as though the people were never vaccinated.

And note the time frame – it’s been 4 months since everyone was vaccinated. All of this vaccine stuff is new and there is no long term history on the effectiveness of the vaccine. We are beginning to hit the same time frame in the U.S. Keep an eye out on the number of vaccinated people getting infected.
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Old 07-19-2021, 08:49 AM
 
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Why is this surprising? The vaccine is supposed to prevent severe illness, not guarantee that one is not infected. Additionally, it has been said that booster shots may be needed.
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Old 07-19-2021, 08:50 AM
 
Location: NMB, SC
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There is no herd immunity. Even the "experts" have stopped tooting that one.
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Old 07-19-2021, 08:52 AM
 
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Why is this surprising? The vaccine is supposed to prevent severe illness, not guarantee that one is not infected. Additionally, it has been said that booster shots may be needed.
That's what they say.

Meanwhile - the reaction is to return to near lockdown status. Why? There should be no severe reactions for the vaccinated. So why bother with all of the hand washing and isolation over supposedly minor symptoms?

Everyone is reacting like chickens with their heads cut off about the vaccine. What's the goal of the vaccine? Eliminate COVID? Limit the damage? Maybe if the goal is clearly defined, we can know what to expect.
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Old 07-19-2021, 08:55 AM
 
Location: Palm Coast FL
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That's what they say.

Meanwhile - the reaction is to return to near lockdown status. Why? There should be no severe reactions for the vaccinated. So why bother with all of the hand washing and isolation over supposedly minor symptoms?

Everyone is reacting like chickens with their heads cut off about the vaccine. What's the goal of the vaccine? Eliminate COVID? Limit the damage?
There must be children there and people who cannot be vaccinated.
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Old 07-19-2021, 08:57 AM
 
Location: NMB, SC
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There must be children there and people who cannot be vaccinated.
The entire country is going back to soft lockdown. You think the majority there are kids/people who cannot be vaccinated to cause this drastic move backwards ?

The population is 33K. The number of vaccinations given is 78K....more than enough that everyone got 2 doses and then some.
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Old 07-19-2021, 08:59 AM
 
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Back in March, the nation of Gibraltar boasted about their successful vaccination program.

Gibraltar Vaccinates Entire Adult Population in 9 Weeks Thanks to Supplies From the U.K.

Gibraltar became the first nation to vaccinate its entire adult population on Friday, just over two months since administering its first vaccination, thanks to the supplies provided by the U.K.

…
According to Picardo, as of midnight on Tuesday, Gibraltar had administered 48,296 inoculations, including 29,667 first doses and 18,629 second doses.

The announcement from Hancock comes roughly nine weeks after Gibraltar administered its first vaccination. On January 10, the Gibraltar Health Authority announced on its Facebook page that Robert Durrell, a 93-year-old resident was the first to be vaccinated.


OK… great. But now…

COVID rules are tightened as cases rise – 534/2021

Given our successful vaccination programme, the practice until recently has been that a vaccinated close contact of a positive case no longer needed to self-isolate. That person could leave home as long as a mask was worn in all settings, and could even continue to go to work depending on the circumstances of the workplace.

The public is advised that those rules have now changed. The reason for this is because the Delta variant of the virus is more contagious and therefore spreads more quickly. This means that if someone in a household contracts the disease, the likelihood is that other members of that same household will follow.

Household contacts of a positive case are now required to self-isolate whether they have been vaccinated or not. The Contact Tracing Bureau will at first circulate a text message to all known contacts. This will be followed by a telephone call to each of them where the details surrounding the nature of the contact will be discussed, looked at more closely and new instructions issued accordingly.

In addition to this, the Government urges the public to follow the advice that has been given throughout the pandemic. This includes washing hands regularly with soap and water, or where not available, the use of hand sanitisers instead. It remains important to keep your distance from others and to avoid large crowds or gatherings if you are elderly or otherwise vulnerable in any way. It is still a legal requirement to wear a mask in certain settings, like shops and public transport.


It’s as though the people were never vaccinated.

And note the time frame – it’s been 4 months since everyone was vaccinated. All of this vaccine stuff is new and there is no long term history on the effectiveness of the vaccine. We are beginning to hit the same time frame in the U.S. Keep an eye out on the number of vaccinated people getting infected.
I always heard 85% to 95% efficacy, you understand than in 100's of thousands 15% is quite a few.
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Old 07-19-2021, 09:00 AM
 
Location: Suburb of Chicago
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Our country will use this as an excuse to have all children vaccinated. They'll leave the elderly alone but will use this to justify the *need* for kids to get the vaccine. And I swear they'll go through the entire Greek alphabet with variants.
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Old 07-19-2021, 09:03 AM
 
Location: NMB, SC
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I always heard 85% to 95% efficacy, you understand than in 100's of thousands 15% is quite a few.
They have lowered that efficacy because of the Delta variant. That 85%-95% was way back when with the original china virus.

Also they have noted (Israel study) that immunity starts waning after 6 months.
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Old 07-19-2021, 09:05 AM
 
Location: Cleveland
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I can't overstate how unsurprising this is to me.
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