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Old 06-15-2021, 10:30 AM
 
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Except that the Cultural Revolution was a violent purge of the Chinese society by the Communist Party to rid the remnants of the Nationalist Party who previously purged the Communists in the 1920s. And Batista led a Cuban revolution which was then overthrown by Castro. There's no equivalencing between a racism sensitivity issue and violent revolutions. It shows a lack of logical thinking and reliance on emotional appeal and hysteria, seen commonly here.
CRT is not racism sensitivity training. I can’t even remember the last sensitivity training I took but I’m pretty sure it didn’t require a revolution or the casting off a “false consciousness.” It probably did include the completely and utterly horrific idea of complicit bias. No one think it’s a good idea for corporation to try and change people’s unconscious biases real or perceived.

I got an idea. Why don’t you let me indoctrinate your kids with what I want them to learn and when you try and get in the way of me I silence you and turn your kids against you. You can’t teach kids to be activist without instilling an ideology. If all there is is power than maybe we should stop talking and prepare for war. An actual war not this “war of position” Obama foisted on the entire country in secret.
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Old 06-15-2021, 10:39 AM
 
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I agree. There was a big stink recently about the commemoration of the Tulsa Massacre of 1921. Are we supposed to whitewash (no pun intended) our history and not teach kids about some of the bad parts but only the good?

Anyway, whatever you might think about CRT, to compare it to China's Cultural revolution is beyond ridiculous.

The Cultural Revolution damaged China's economy and traditional culture, with an estimated death toll ranging from hundreds of thousands to 20 million.........Meanwhile, tens of millions of people were persecuted: senior officials, most notably Chinese president Liu Shaoqi, along with Deng Xiaoping, Peng Dehuai, and He Long, were purged or exiled; millions were accused of being members of the Five Black Categories, suffering public humiliation, imprisonment, torture, hard labor, seizure of property, and sometimes execution or harassment into suicide;
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cultural_Revolution

Remind me, how many people have been killed or tortured over CRT?
That never happened until people resisted. Like what is happening now. We will all see how ideological they are in short time, no doubts about that. If this belief systems trumps everything else to them then we will know right off the bat if this is going to require laws or forced removal from power. Half the country will not let 10% of it turn this country into a totalitarian ****hole.
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Old 06-15-2021, 11:57 AM
 
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It’s almost like there wasn’t a serious reckoning with what happened in a Tulsa 40 years ago by private citizens and 20 years ago again by government:

https://www.okhistory.org/research/forms/freport.pdf

Are you projecting your ignorance on to everyone else? It sure seems that way. Cancelling hundreds of pages and thousands of hours of documentation for a belief system… I hope you don’t tail against The Religious because they sometimes try to make reality fit their belief system. That’s exactly what you’re doing either through your own cognition or someone has gaslit you.
What exactly are you saying? That because an Oklahoma state commission wrote a report on the massacre (they called it a "riot") 20 years ago, that now all is good? No reason to continue to educate children about the history of racism in America? "We've had a serious reckoning; now we can sweep it under the rug - never mention it again, even on the 100th anniversary"?
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Old 06-15-2021, 12:00 PM
 
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That never happened until people resisted. Like what is happening now. We will all see how ideological they are in short time, no doubts about that. If this belief systems trumps everything else to them then we will know right off the bat if this is going to require laws or forced removal from power. Half the country will not let 10% of it turn this country into a totalitarian ****hole.
When the first person is killed or imprisoned because they disagree with CRT, let me know, and I will join your uprising.
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Old 06-15-2021, 12:20 PM
 
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What exactly are you saying? That because an Oklahoma state commission wrote a report on the massacre (they called it a "riot") 20 years ago, that now all is good? No reason to continue to educate children about the history of racism in America? "We've had a serious reckoning; now we can sweep it under the rug - never mention it again, even on the 100th anniversary"?
No, the point was that there is no effort to cover it up.

But the Tulsa event isn’t what this is all about. CRT isn’t a history lesson no matter how many times you folks claim that.

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1. Designate One or More Institutional Title IX Coordinators

Title IX requires institutions that receive federal financial assistance to designate at least one professional employee as its Title IX coordinator for handling sexual harassment complaints and overseeing Title IX compliance efforts. The coordinator must understand the institution’s obligation to address allegations of sexual harassment, including sexual violence, receive training on what constitutes sexual harassment and sexual violence, be familiar with the institution’s grievance procedures, and know how to conduct investigations and maintain a documentation system that complies with Title IX procedures. Because Title IX prohibits sex discrimination against students and employees, this includes compliance related to gender discrimination, sexual harassment, retaliation, and sexual assault, as well as athletics. Coordinators should be familiar with the procedures, policies, and training mechanisms that the institution already has in place for addressing campus sexual harassment, sexual violence, and, ideally, Title IX’s application to athletics. The coordinators should then work with in-house legal counsel to draft Title IX policies and complaint procedures.
https://ogletree.com/insights/the-ba...-april-4-2011/

A neo-Marxist soft coup is born…

And the going away present:

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November 18, 2016

This work is particularly vital and relevant because we are ever mindful of the painful history around issues of race in this country. I call upon you as higher education leaders to renew your commitment to diversity, to take swift and specific action to eliminate harassment and discrimination, and to ensure a positive environment on campus for all students. I also write to share a new resource with you, a report entitled “Advancing Diversity & Inclusion in Higher Education,” which we are releasing today in conjunction with the White House to celebrate the Obama Administration’s efforts to advance diversity and inclusion and explore the ways in which we may continue to further those efforts together.”
https://www2.ed.gov/rschstat/researc...-inclusion.pdf

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we are five days away from fundamentally transforming the United States of America. In five days, you can turn the page on policies that put greed and irresponsibility on Wall Street before the hard work and sacrifice of folks on Main Street. In five days, you can choose policies that invest in our middle class, and create new jobs, and grow this economy, so that everyone has a chance to succeed, not just the CEO, but the secretary and janitor, not just the factory owner, but the men and women on the factory floor. In five days, you can put an end to the politics that would divide a nation just to win an election, that tries to pit region against region, and city against town, and Republican against Democrat, that asks – asks us to fear at a time when we need to hope.
https://slate.com/news-and-politics/...f-america.html

The snake oil salesman selling you the poison for which he has a miraculous cure.

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Old 06-15-2021, 03:35 PM
 
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As we know, Gramsci questioned the traditional viewpoint that the economic base determines the operations of an ideological and cultural superstructure. He was instead interested in the relationship between the base and superstructure as reflexive and dynamic. As a result, he isolated civil society as a key intermediary role and proposed that both conservative and revolutionary projects attempted to gain consent through civil society. By recognizing Gramsci’s important contribution in searching for a theoretical explanation of the historical impasse of the Western communist movements,WujinYu also highlighted the confusing antilogy in Gramsci’s definition of relationship between civil society and state, which differs in Gramsci’s various notes. For WujinYu, Gramsci was a thinker who broached central issues of integral revolution in his writing, and claimed that revolution is not merely related to armed struggles but also based on social consensus. Therefore, Gramsci recog- nized the efficacy of cultural superstructures as a political problem and emphasized the significant role played by ideology in the class struggle.
Gramsci’s Presence in China
Xin Liu
The University of North Carolina at Chapel Hill
https://escholarship.org/content/qt3...r.pdf?t=nd0swe
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Old 06-15-2021, 06:05 PM
 
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Let me see if I have this straight. You think people being upset that schools teaching children to be racist is blowing things out of proportion? You need some perspective, sport.

if i THOUGHT they were teaching racism i would be upset


Critical race theory reveals how race has been used as a tool to create and exert power in ways that affects everyone – of all races – economically and politically.
The real problem with critical race theory is that it exposes those who have used race as a tool for their own political and economic gain.
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Old 06-15-2021, 06:15 PM
 
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in doing a little research if on this..the whole critical race theory is a very small issue which right wingers drum up out of proportion to its effect i should have known
It's a small issue to you. Non self-loathing white people don't want this racist garbage shoved down their kid's throats.
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Old 06-15-2021, 06:18 PM
 
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No, the point was that there is no effort to cover it up.
True. Progressives, who are already known to be embarrassingly ignorant of history, discovered the Tulsa race riot just recently and assert their ignorance as evidence of a "cover-up."
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Old 06-15-2021, 06:23 PM
 
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if i THOUGHT they were teaching racism i would be upset


Critical race theory reveals how race has been used as a tool to create and exert power in ways that affects everyone – of all races – economically and politically.
The real problem with critical race theory is that it exposes those who have used race as a tool for their own political and economic gain.
That’s some more work projection right there.

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Gramsci attributed the failure of the Communist movement of the working-class in developedWestern countries to the cultural hegemony set up by the bourgeois. Gramsci believed that through a series of ideologies woven into the network of cultural institutions (schools, churches, newspapers, political parties and associations) and transmitted by intellectual groups auxiliary to the dominant class,Western bourgeois established a hegemonic system and obtained consent from the popular masses to reduce the amount of coercion needed to repress the masses and prevent any repetition of the October Revolution in Russia from occurring.
https://escholarship.org/content/qt3...r.pdf?t=nd0swe

Look how amazing your theory of what CRT is fits in with that! That’s just so amazing. What are the odds?
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