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View Poll Results: Which is a better country for Conservatives?
U.S. 40 80.00%
U.K. 10 20.00%
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Old 06-24-2021, 11:45 AM
 
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Yeah, Islam in particular promotes conservatism in the countries it spreads to. Hitler understood this.
Explains why Islam is the Democrats favorite pet Religion
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Old 06-24-2021, 12:39 PM
 
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Explains why Islam is the Democrats favorite pet Religion
Why do you think that? Confusing their upholding of actual freedom of religion?
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Old 06-24-2021, 12:45 PM
 
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But how does that affect anyone in reality?

If the US enforces the draft, guess what, at that point you're property of the government again, being shipped out to wherever they want you go, to have the opportunity to have your brains blown out for Uncle Sam.
That's unconstitutional
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Old 06-24-2021, 12:50 PM
 
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Rubbish!
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I hope BoJo isn't 'watching'!
Might want to read the Declaration of Independence...
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Old 06-24-2021, 12:53 PM
 
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I'm from the UK originally. I've been in the US for 14 years.

The question isn't really answerable, as the Overton window in the US is just so far to the right. This get's into the 'no true Scotsman' fallacy, but the US 'conservative' of today would be considered very far right in the UK. I was a Conservative voter in the UK, but I'm a Democrat voter in the US as the GOP just aren't a viable option, even though I'm more of a Centrist.

Even die-hard Conservative Party members in the UK looked on in horror at the last 4 years. Any support from Trump in the UK was found among hard-right fringe groups, whereas the vast majority of US 'conservatives' support him.

I'd say that the British Conservative party are probably 70% US democrat and 30% GOP based on where they would overlap, and that 30% overlap would be the typical Conservative views of fiscal responsibility, traditional values, small government, which unfortunately in the GOP are becoming a smaller and smaller group. The 70% to the right of that just don't really exist in the UK outside of truly fringe groups.

To take an example, even something like universal healthcare just isn't a discussion in the UK You're not going to find a significant number of Conservatives in the UK who think we should dismantle the NHS. So many of the hot button issues for the GOP, aren't even on the table in the UK.

I'd love if the US could get back to more of bi-partisan footing. In the UK, the two 'sides' are pretty opposed, but they are at least able to agree on basic facts and concept of a universal reality. In the US, it's just so vitriolic, and it's more of a batlle for power than a genuine attempt to serve the US people. So many of the politicians here just don't really stand for anything.

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Old 06-24-2021, 12:54 PM
 
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The best country for conservatives would Afghanistan, Bhutan, Algeria, Myanmar, Sierra Leon, etc.
No conservative would want to go to those countries.
Those countries don't respect individual rights to life, liberty and property. They don't govern under the Declaration of Independence nor the US Constitution.
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Old 06-24-2021, 12:57 PM
 
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All I know is that British Conservatives sound like people who know what they’re talking about. They don’t sound like a gaggle of knuckle dragging, provincial hayseeds that hates everyone who’s different from them.

I don’t usually agree much with European conservatives, but they’re a lot more palatable than the ones in my own country.
European Conservatives are pretty much Centrist Democrats.
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Old 06-24-2021, 02:08 PM
 
Location: Wisconsin
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It says right on the British passport that I'm a subject.
Hmm, that's interesting if it's true. I didn't know that. Since Canada is a constitutional monarchy, I wonder what their passport depicts them. Are they free citizens, or subjects of the Crown?
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Old 06-24-2021, 02:41 PM
 
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European Conservatives are pretty much Centrist Democrats.
It’s far more complicated than that, but you’ve got the right idea.
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Old 06-24-2021, 03:25 PM
 
Location: Alberta, Canada
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Hmm, that's interesting if it's true. I didn't know that. Since Canada is a constitutional monarchy, I wonder what their passport depicts them. Are they free citizens, or subjects of the Crown?
I just had a look at my Canadian passport. It states, quite plainly, on page 1, "The bearer of this passport is a Canadian citizen."
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