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Old 12-29-2021, 07:40 AM
 
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Congress shares certain concurrent authority over public health matters emanating from its enumerated powers in the Constitution. Congressional authority stems from, among other sources, the Constitution’s Spending & Commerce Clauses.
Moot point. Congress never legalized abortion.

 
Old 12-29-2021, 07:44 AM
 
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But some people who want all abortion banned are also against any regulations for it.
Some people, perhaps. And some people want abortion to be legal up to the point a full-term baby is in the birth canal, with delivery imminent. The point is that not one single state legislature has taken any steps to completely ban all abortions if Roe is overturned. Not even one.
 
Old 12-29-2021, 07:47 AM
 
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But to you, the fetal homicide laws are unconstitutional, due to one exception as this one in Indiana:

Indiana Senate Enrolled Act 203 states that killing a fetus at any stage of development is murder unless the woman terminates her own pregnancy or obtains an abortion. Applicable to Indiana Code 35-42-1-1, 35-42-1-3, 35-42-1-4, 35-42-1-6
They are unconstitutional, and I've already explained why: Anyone who didn't want the baby (which includes the father) would have to legally be able to kill an unborn child to make fetal homicide laws Constitutional, just like self-defense laws allow anyone to kill another in self-defense.
 
Old 12-29-2021, 07:57 AM
 
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Incorrect. Fetal homicide laws have already established the legal precedent that an unborn child is a separate human life.

And as I've noted in my prior post, women have been charged with and convicted for child abuse for abusing drugs during pregnancy. That would not be possible unless an unborn child was legally recognized as a separate human life, a child.
Once again, the fetal homicide laws set no precedent at all. The laws merely specify what is a crime, and there are exceptions for abortion.
 
Old 12-29-2021, 07:59 AM
 
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They are unconstitutional, and I've already explained why: Anyone who didn't want the baby (which includes the father) would have to legally be able to kill an unborn child to make fetal homicide laws Constitutional, just like self-defense laws allow anyone to kill another in self-defense.
That analogy is incorrect. Not one court has ruled the fetal homicide laws with an abortion exception as being unconstitutional on equal protection grounds. Under your way of thinking, self defense would not be an exception to murder laws. Please talk to an attorney to have this explained.
 
Old 12-29-2021, 09:11 AM
 
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Some people, perhaps. And some people want abortion to be legal up to the point a full-term baby is in the birth canal, with delivery imminent. The point is that not one single state legislature has taken any steps to completely ban all abortions if Roe is overturned. Not even one.
They will and they plan to. Who do you think you are kidding?
 
Old 12-29-2021, 10:03 AM
 
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Moot point. Congress never legalized abortion.
Sounds like a bounty hunter.
 
Old 12-29-2021, 10:28 AM
 
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Once again, the fetal homicide laws set no precedent at all. The laws merely specify what is a crime, and there are exceptions for abortion.
You're in total denial. Not only do the convictions for fetal homicide set the legal precedent that an unborn child is a separate human life, so do the laws under which women were convicted for child abuse for abusing drugs while pregnant.
 
Old 12-29-2021, 10:31 AM
 
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That analogy is incorrect. Not one court has ruled the fetal homicide laws with an abortion exception as being unconstitutional on equal protection grounds.
Yet... Luckily, we have many more federal judges and SCOTUS Justices who actually abide by their sworn oath to support and defend the US Constitution.
 
Old 12-29-2021, 10:32 AM
 
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They will and they plan to. Who do you think you are kidding?
Cite one pending state law that completely bans all abortions.
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