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Old 01-05-2022, 05:53 AM
 
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They aren't, because any unborn baby doesn't automatically acquire human rights until the moment it's born. If I'm wrong, then why did Mississippi voters refuse by 58% to grant personhood or human rights to everybody starting at the moment of conception?

As shamefully high as infant mortality is in Mississippi, I wish that state would worry far more about how to solve that problem.
Women have a right to life. So why kill the girl babies?

 
Old 01-05-2022, 06:42 AM
 
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And in California, people are charged with and convicted of fetal homicide and women are charged with and convicted of child abuse for harming their unborn child. So, as even in California an unborn child is already legally recognized as a separate human life, abortions can be restricted as much as the state lawmakers wish to legislate. Same is true in any other state.
Fetal homicide laws are irrelevant to abortion.
 
Old 01-05-2022, 06:43 AM
 
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Women have a right to life. So why kill the girl babies?
You are not entitled to know the reason any particular woman decides to have an abortion.
 
Old 01-05-2022, 06:44 AM
 
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They aren't, because any unborn baby doesn't automatically acquire human rights until the moment it's born. If I'm wrong, then why did Mississippi voters refuse by 58% to grant personhood or human rights to everybody starting at the moment of conception?

As shamefully high as infant mortality is in Mississippi, I wish that state would worry far more about how to solve that problem.
Their maternal mortality rate is equally shameful.
 
Old 01-05-2022, 06:55 AM
 
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Fetal homicide laws are irrelevant to abortion.
Not at all. All state legislatures have to do is reference fetal homicide laws in their abortion restriction laws, and state that an unborn child is already legally recognized as a separate human life in their state by the fetal homicide laws, so they're restricting abortion to only a very few cases, the aforementioned 1.7% of abortions that are performed due to risk to mother's life or health, risk to baby's health, rape, or incest.
 
Old 01-05-2022, 07:07 AM
 
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Not at all. All state legislatures have to do is reference fetal homicide laws in their abortion restriction laws, and state that an unborn child is already legally recognized as a separate human life in their state by the fetal homicide laws, so they're restricting abortion to only a very few cases, the aforementioned 1.7% of abortions that are performed due to risk to mother's life or health, risk to baby's health, rape, or incest.
Nope because the laws contain exceptions for abortion.

Clearly because of malevolent people like so called prolifers and overzealous prosecutors criminalizing pregnancy these laws will need to be abolished or rewritten. But, they are not going to be used in the near term to restrict abortion. They are simply a footnote that will be taken care of once the larger battle is won.
 
Old 01-05-2022, 07:15 AM
 
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Nope because the laws contain exceptions for abortion.
What makes you think states can't change that?

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Clearly because of malevolent people like so called prolifers and overzealous prosecutors criminalizing pregnancy these laws will need to be abolished or rewritten. But, they are not going to be used in the near term to restrict abortion. They are simply a footnote that will be taken care of once the larger battle is won.
How is malevolent and overzealous to protect another human's life? That makes NO sense whatsoever.

And actually, they can be, whenever state legislatures choose to do exactly as I've described. They'll be back in session soon, except for TX which has a legislative season only every other year.
 
Old 01-05-2022, 07:23 AM
 
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What makes you think states can't change that?

How is malevolent and overzealous to protect another human's life? That makes NO sense whatsoever.

And actually, they can be, whenever state legislatures choose to do exactly as I've described. They'll be back in session soon, except for TX which has a legislative season only every other year.
You don't seem to understand that your side has overplayed it's hand lol.

Anyone writing legislation that wages war on women's right to abortion is going to be voted out of office. Women can only vote in one state, but they can send millions of dollars to any state necessary to fund prochoice candidates.

Buckle up. The backlash to your malevolent efforts hasn't even gotten started yet.
 
Old 01-05-2022, 07:33 AM
 
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You don't seem to understand that your side has overplayed it's hand lol.

Anyone writing legislation that wages war on women's right to abortion is going to be voted out of office. Women can only vote in one state, but they can send millions of dollars to any state necessary to fund prochoice candidates.
You're overestimating the interest in that. I don't see a lot of people getting voted out of office in states that restrict abortion.

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Buckle up. The backlash to your malevolent efforts hasn't even gotten started yet.
Again with the malevolent? How is it malevolent to protect human life? You don't seem to understand that protecting human life is a much higher priority both ethically and morally than allowing anyone to act according to their own convenience when doing so deliberately kills others. Your line of reasoning matches exactly that of the street thugs in Chicago. They think nothing of killing others, too, and set a 25-year record high for doing so last year.
 
Old 01-05-2022, 07:45 AM
 
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You're overestimating the interest in that. I don't see a lot of people getting voted out of office in states that restrict abortion.

Again with the malevolent? How is it malevolent to protect human life? You don't seem to understand that protecting human life is a much higher priority both ethically and morally than allowing anyone to act according to their own convenience when doing so deliberately kills others. Your line of reasoning matches exactly that of the street thugs in Chicago. They think nothing of killing others, too, and set a 25-year record high for doing so last year.
Your sides whole war on women is malevolent.

What's particularly malevolent is trying to advance your cause by misusing laws that were written to obtain justice for assault on the daughters, wives, mothers of grieving families.

That is truly revolting and despicable. I expect the backlash from those families should this occur will be even more furious than the backlash from women in general is going to be.

Your inability to see it coming is meaningless.
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