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Old 08-20-2021, 03:18 AM
 
Location: NY
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If you look into the cases with covid that were fully vaccinated and end up in the hospital likely you find they are older then 75 years old . The reason is a weak immune system this is why old people who got the vaccine had hardly any immune response on the 2nd shot. This is why doctors are advising older people to stay away from other people who might pass it to them like grandkids who have no vaccine.

99% of the US cases in the hospital with serious illness from Covid are unvaccinated. If you get sick from covid not vaccinated oh well. Too bad that they are allowed in the hospital clogging up the system for other people who need care for other things.



Homeless ,addicts,alcoholics ,and the mentally have been clogging up the system for people who need care for other things
for far more years.

Build more hospitals.........................as opposed to tearing them down.
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Old 08-20-2021, 03:47 AM
 
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There really are a tremendous amount of cases. I have a gut feeling that there is alot of negative studies about this "vaccine" coming very quickly.


Yet, the liberals mock those who come down with COVID-19 despite the massive surge in breakthrough cases.

There seems to be a tremendous amount of cases out there considering the vaccine in many hyper-vaccinated parts of America, Isreal and England.

This vaccine isn't like what was advertised earlier this year, I got two of so-called mRNA doses but I am not going to pretend and look down on those who look at these numbers of breakthrough cases and decide not to rush to get this therapy.

https://deadline.com/tag/breakthrough-cases/

https://science.sciencemag.org/content/373/6557/838

https://science.sciencemag.org/content/373/6557/838
The real irony of all this is the gold standard of Covid-immunity is not a vaccine passport...it's a positive antibody or T-cell test. The former is only proof that you've gotten a shot. The latter is proof of actual immunity.

Yet those who are pushing mandatory vaccination refuse to accept the superior form of proof in lieu of the vaccine passport.

Tells you this isn't about medicine, science, or health.
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Old 08-20-2021, 04:14 AM
 
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Homeless ,addicts,alcoholics ,and the mentally have been clogging up the system for people who need care for other things
for far more years.

Build more hospitals.........................as opposed to tearing them down.
Our govt run healthcare system makes that very difficult. Look up "Certificate of Need" which is requirement where any new health care facility must be first signed off by a committee of bureaucrats and politically connected types who act as proxies for large hospital groups which allows them to effectively shut out competitors and monopolize services in a given area.
Sorry! No new hospitals for you!

And then they have to be staffed. Bureaucrats and politicians acting as proxies for the various healthcare cartels, enact laws,rules and regs to limit the supply of competing healthcare professionals.

Last edited by Frank DeForrest; 08-20-2021 at 04:26 AM..
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Old 08-20-2021, 04:34 AM
 
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Our govt run healthcare system makes that very difficult. Look up "Certificate of Need" which is requirement where any new health care facility must be first signed off by a committee of bureaucrats and politically connected types who act as proxies for large hospital groups which allows them to effectively shut out competitors and monopolize services in a given area.
Sorry! No new hospitals for you!

And then they have to be staffed. Bureaucrats and politicians acting as proxies for the various healthcare cartels, enact laws,rules and regs to limit the supply of competing healthcare professionals.

Interesting. I had no idea you couldn't just build a hospital if you wanted to. I figured it would have to be certified in some way, but didn't know you needed permission.
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Old 08-20-2021, 04:39 AM
 
Location: Berwick, Penna.
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Except for one small detail: the large majority of people dying from COVID-19 now are unvaccinated.
Agreed, but a lot of water is going to have to go over the dam before we know evough about the long-term effects of the current vaccines, the mRNA tecgbology which created them, or possible side effects.

In the railroad industry where I used to work, operating rules were codified in a standard format, which still varies very little from one company to another. The most "primal" rules were dsignated by letter rather than number; Rule 'G', for example, prohibited the use of liquor or drugs while on duty;

Rule 'S'; In case of doubt or uncertainty. the safe course must be taken.

In real life, of course, trade-offs have to be made between immediate safety and long-term security; but it may be a long time before we learn the ultimate benefit, and the ultimate cost in the case of COVID-19.
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Old 08-20-2021, 05:40 AM
 
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Agreed, but a lot of water is going to have to go over the dam before we know evough about the long-term effects of the current vaccines, the mRNA tecgbology which created them, or possible side effects.

In the railroad industry where I used to work, operating rules were codified in a standard format, which still varies very little from one company to another. The most "primal" rules were dsignated by letter rather than number; Rule 'G', for example, prohibited the use of liquor or drugs while on duty;

Rule 'S'; In case of doubt or uncertainty. the safe course must be taken.

In real life, of course, trade-offs have to be made between immediate safety and long-term security; but it may be a long time before we learn the ultimate benefit, and the ultimate cost in the case of COVID-19.
When Fauci and our other “so-called leaders“ start going into hiding, or seemingly just disappear, that’s when you’ll know.
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Old 08-20-2021, 05:48 AM
 
Location: NMB, SC
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The reality is that it does not seem to be any where close to being as effective as advertised.

The vaccine effectiveness for infection of COVID-19 was false advertising.

https://www.newscientist.com/article...ent-effective/
Not by Pfizer. They said "up to 6 months" quite clearly.

It was our government, FDA, CDC, Fauci that tooted the vaccine as the "holy grail" that would save us.

Well from Jan to now is 8 months. Do people who got the shot in Jan have any immunity left ?
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Old 08-20-2021, 06:04 AM
 
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Homeless ,addicts,alcoholics ,and the mentally have been clogging up the system for people who need care for other things
for far more years.

Build more hospitals.........................as opposed to tearing them down.
No good building Hospitals, if you don't have the Staff to fill them.

There's shortages now.
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Old 08-20-2021, 06:29 AM
 
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There really are a tremendous amount of cases. I have a gut feeling that there is alot of negative studies about this "vaccine" coming very quickly.
They don't work. I said that from the start.

The reduction in cases was 100% weather related. And, come the fall and winter, it will be 100% weather related when the rates explode.

And Faucci will still be up there flip flopping all day long.

There was a dark horse podcast clip on you tube yesterday (that they took down) that explained exactly what is happening and why vaccinated people are the most in danger.

But, it was taken down so..
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Old 08-20-2021, 06:32 AM
 
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They don't work. I said that from the start.

The reduction in cases was 100% weather related. And, come the fall and winter, it will be 100% weather related when the rates explode.

And Faucci will still be up there flip flopping all day long.

There was a dark horse podcast clip on you tube yesterday (that they took down) that explained exactly what is happening and why vaccinated people are the most in danger.

But, it was taken down so..
I saw that and read some articles that confirmed that - but those are hidden deep in most search engines and not readily available unless you spend time looking and using different keywords. Even then it's lucky if you find them.
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