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Old 03-23-2022, 09:03 AM
 
Location: Texas
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Personally I don't care about "studies" because of who does them and who PAYS to have them done.
Every single study ever done backs up what I have posted. Every single one.

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I speak from PERSONAL experience. Not some study by someone who probably never set foot in a gov't housing project and the surrounding area.

My college Sociology "professor" is a prefect example.
Data points are meaningless. A Statistics Professor would have taught you that point.

 
Old 03-23-2022, 09:11 AM
 
Location: Texas
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Women interested in such a "career path" learn how to game the system. Bill Clinton once said that welfare doesn't pay but he was wrong. It does pay if you have few job skills. Public housing, food stamps and medical coverage beat working at a crappy, low paying job. Who wants to get up every morning to go to a job you hate if you can stay home and get by on welfare benefits.

My sister teacher in the Dallas public school system and children with grandmothers age 40 and under isn't unusual.
Unfortunately it is a learned behavior that government will pay you to not work.

"Welfare actively penalizes marriage by reducing benefits when low-income couples do marry. A single mother receiving public housing benefits would receive a subsidy worth on average around $11,000 per year if she was not employed. But if she married a man earning $20,000 per year, these benefits would be cut nearly in half."

"the poverty rate in 2008 for single parents with children was 35.6 percent. The rate for married couples with children was 6.4 percent. "

"Children living in single parent homes are 50 percent more likely to experience poverty as adults when compared to children from intact married homes. This intergenerational poverty effect persists even after adjusting for the original differences in family income and poverty during childhood."

"Welfare dependency as a child has a negative effect on the earnings and employment capacity of young men. The more welfare income received by a boy's family during his childhood, the lower the boy's earnings will be as an adult, even when compared to boys in families with identical non-welfare income."


https://www.heritage.org/welfare/rep...are-harms-kids

https://www.heritage.org/welfare/com...-welfare-state

https://www.heritage.org/welfare/rep...-child-poverty
 
Old 03-23-2022, 09:15 AM
 
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Women interested in such a "career path" learn how to game the system. Bill Clinton once said that welfare doesn't pay but he was wrong. It does pay if you have few job skills. Public housing, food stamps and medical coverage beat working at a crappy, low paying job. Who wants to get up every morning to go to a job you hate if you can stay home and get by on welfare benefits.

My sister teaches in the Dallas public school system and children with grandmothers age 40 and under aren't unusual.
Many of these women get an apt. free because they have no income. And then they have a parade of boyfriends move in and out and their income, if they have one, doesn't count. Some people qualify for more rent than the places charge so they get a check for living there. Then they get free food through snap and local charities pay their utilities. And they get free medical care through Medicaid. They have no need to work.
Some of these people are 3rd generation welfare queens.
 
Old 03-23-2022, 09:58 AM
 
Location: Lahaina, Hi.
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This morning in the news:

Nine Mass Shootings:
A violent weekend highlights America’s continuing crime wave.

QUOTE: Many crime experts define a mass shooting as an event in which four or more people are shot. Last weekend, there were a shocking number of them — at least nine — across the U.S.

https://www.nytimes.com/2022/03/23/b...e-america.html
 
Old 03-23-2022, 10:30 AM
 
Location: az
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I posted a link and told it wasn't funny:
https://www.city-data.com/forum/63122896-post593.html

It might not be funny but it helps explain why shootings in many inner cities are out of control. The thug life is glorified. When I was growing up it wasn't difficult to obtain a firearm and many households had a gun rack. Sure there were robberies but not the kind of public shootings like we often read about today.

In 2022 take a large gathering of inner cities youths on a Friday/Sat. night and it's a decent bet the fireworks will began.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YdSpb7my96U

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Old 03-23-2022, 11:32 AM
 
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I posted a link and told it wasn't funny:
https://www.city-data.com/forum/63122896-post593.html

It might not be funny but it helps explain why shootings in many inner cities are out of control. The thug life is glorified. When I was growing up it wasn't difficult to obtain a firearm and many households had a gun rack. Sure there were robberies but not the kind of public shootings like we often read about today.

In 2022 take a large gathering of inner cities youths on a Friday/Sat. night and it's a decent bet the fireworks will began.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YdSpb7my96U
Well, back in your time, inner city shootings didn't make the news all the time. And I didn't find that post funny. I found it to be tasteless.

Violence in the inner city has been a problem for decades upon decades. The differences are......
1) Back then, as long as Blacks stayed on their side of the tracks, no one cared.
2) It wasn't constantly reported in newspapers or on TV.

I don't think the glorification of thug life has everything to do with it. I've seen plenty of young White males listen to gangsta rap. In fact, young White males are among the largest consumers of violent rap music in America. And yet, the majority of murders are Black on Black. The majority of murders have been Black on Black as far back as the 1940s and 50s.

Black homicide rate in 1950: 28 murders per 100,000.

In fact, here is post #470 in this thread: https://www.city-data.com/forum/63023731-post470.html

What do you think was driving that back then?

And here is the source: https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/data/series...r20_006acc.pdf

Black/Non-White homicide rates in 1950, the top 10 worst states:

Texas: 42.4 per 100,000
Florida: 39.8 per 100,000
Missouri: 38.9 per 100,000
Delaware: 38 per 100,000
West Virginia: 37.9 per 100,000
Georgia: 37.7 per 100,000
Kentucky: 37.1 per 100,000
Alabama: 36.5 per 100,000
Tennessee: 35.6 per 100,000
Ohio(tie): 33.7 per 100,000
Indiana(tie): 33.7 per 100,000

Missouri and Indiana are in the top 10 today. They were in the top 10 over 70 years ago as well.
 
Old 03-23-2022, 11:40 AM
 
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Women interested in such a "career path" learn how to game the system. Bill Clinton once said that welfare doesn't pay but he was wrong. It does pay if you have few job skills. Public housing, food stamps and medical coverage beat working at a crappy, low paying job. Who wants to get up every morning to go to a job you hate if you can stay home and get by on welfare benefits.

My sister teaches in the Dallas public school system and children with grandmothers age 40 and under aren't unusual.
Except one problem. Many people who are on welfare have jobs.

https://www.census.gov/library/stori...n-working.html

https://www.manufacturing.net/labor/...-need-govt-aid

While there are certainly lazy people milking the system. many welfare recipients are working. If welfare seems to pay, it's because alot of the jobs some people have don't pay very well.

Something else. I grew up in an exurban area 25 miles west of Atlanta. 85-90% White. It wasn't uncommon to find a few grandmothers under the age of 40. Teen pregnancy rate when I went to high school was on the rise, and some of their mothers were young when they had them.
 
Old 03-23-2022, 11:41 AM
 
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I know. I worked in several black and several white projects and the black ones had far more violence.
Why do you think this took place?
 
Old 03-23-2022, 11:48 AM
 
Location: az
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Well, back in your time, inner city shootings didn't make the news all the time. And I didn't find that post funny. I found it to be tasteless.

Violence in the inner city has been a problem for decades upon decades. The differences are......
1) Back then, as long as Blacks stayed on their side of the tracks, no one cared.
2) It wasn't constantly reported in newspapers or on TV.

I don't think the glorification of thug life has everything to do with it. I've seen plenty of young White males listen to gangsta rap. In fact, young White males are among the largest consumers of violent rap music in America. And yet, the majority of murders are Black on Black. The majority of murders have been Black on Black as far back as the 1940s and 50s.

Black homicide rate in 1950: 28 murders per 100,000.

In fact, here is post #470 in this thread: https://www.city-data.com/forum/63023731-post470.html

What do you think was driving that back then?

And here is the source: https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/data/series...r20_006acc.pdf

Black/Non-White homicide rates in 1950, the top 10 worst states:

Texas: 42.4 per 100,000
Florida: 39.8 per 100,000
Missouri: 38.9 per 100,000
Delaware: 38 per 100,000
West Virginia: 37.9 per 100,000
Georgia: 37.7 per 100,000
Kentucky: 37.1 per 100,000
Alabama: 36.5 per 100,000
Tennessee: 35.6 per 100,000
Ohio(tie): 33.7 per 100,000
Indiana(tie): 33.7 per 100,000

Missouri and Indiana are in the top 10 today. They were in the top 10 over 70 years ago as well.

True except it's gotten much worse. There was none of the insanity you see it Oakland video.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YdSpb7my96U

Shootings rarely made the national news but the were reported locally in San Francisco for example. A person getting shot/killed was a front page story precisely because it wasn't an everyday occurrence.
 
Old 03-23-2022, 11:50 AM
 
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For many poor women "welfare" is their "career" choice. Getting supported by Welfare requires having children.
I would have to call a caveat on that. I have looked up statistics on out of wedlock births, fatherless homes, and single motherhood in the Black population. I've looked up data as far back as the 1940s. Black women were leading the pack in ALL of those categories as far back as the 1940s. And this was back in the day when states decided who and who could not get welfare. Despite needing it more, Black women had a harder time getting welfare. Because alot of Black people worked "off the books" and weren't part of any formal workforce, Black people were far more likely to be excluded from welfare benefits. There was no career in welfare. This didn't prevent Black women from having higher rates of out of wedlock births (as high as 40% during the 1950s) or from having markedly higher rates of single motherhood. And back in those days, total birth rates were higher.

There is also something else, which I can assure you that welfare has nothing to do with. Divorce. Per capita, Black Americans have had higher rates of divorce than any other group, going back to the 1950s.
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