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Old 09-22-2021, 04:52 PM
 
Location: Denver CO
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It's still in phase 3 trials...

Also, the "approved" shot isn't available. It can't be. As soon as it's made available, the EUAs for the others go away. The approved shot won't be available until the others are approved.

You can say they're the same thing, and that's fine if you want to do that, but there's a legal distinction between the two medicines for a reason. You can't choose to acknowledge that distinction for one reason and ignore it for another.

Legally, there are no FDA approved COVID19 shots available and there won't be until all three receive approval, because the people running our system are just that corrupt.
Per the links I've posted, the Pfizer vaccine is *APPROVED* for adults 16 and older. The trials are for a different age group. That doesn't make the approved vaccine experimental in the groups it has received approval for.
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Old 09-22-2021, 04:52 PM
 
Location: NMB, SC
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Comirnaty is a MRNA Vaccine.
But it has not been produced yet for the public.
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Old 09-22-2021, 04:53 PM
 
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But it has not been produced yet for the public.
It is the same product that has been distributed and administered to millions of Americans. Giving it a brand name doesn't change that.
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Old 09-22-2021, 04:54 PM
 
Location: Long Island, N.Y.
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As a practical matter you should just get it and keep your job. As a legal matter it’s hard to say. The federal government does have the power to make employer regulations through OSHA. They require employers to offer certain vaccines but I don’t know of any requirement. We know that a local health department can require you to get a vaccine. We know the federal government can require you to buy health insurance. So, I think this could be supported under current case law. Maybe it will go to SCOTUS but by that time the issue might be moot.


Practical; just do it.

No thanks, no kool aid for me.

The data out of Israel shows the potion isn't working as sold.

The definition of "vaccine" has just been altered; no longer means preventing infection; to a therapeutic lessening of severity of INFECTION!

Serious RED FLAGS everywhere.

Let me know when those 5~10 year long term side effect studies come in.....

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Old 09-22-2021, 04:54 PM
 
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But it has not been produced yet for the public.
It's the same vaccine marketed under a new name.

I swear, this board...
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Old 09-22-2021, 04:54 PM
 
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But it has not been produced yet for the public.
Sure it has. It's was being produced before FDA approval. It was even being produced prior to emergency use.
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Old 09-22-2021, 04:54 PM
 
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It occurred to me after listening to Belling a bit the reason the left don't like cops is because they don't want to be told what to do, but love telling others what to do. It's the weak wanting to step on the weaker and oppress them but not wanting to get stepped on themselves. That's why they want kids to mask up all day, because kids are weak and they like to boss anyone around who will sit around and take it and is not on their side. It's also why they never call out their own, and strut around at all their elitist events unmasked.

Do what they are doing in school boards around the country... get them booted out to get rid of the mask mandates, get conservatives on the board, and then take it one step further... if they are paid a salary, strip them of their salary, make it so they only make $100 per school board meeting, and only if they attend in person. No virtual. You'll get the lefties out of the school systems very quickly. Conservatives, become the ones who tell them what to do, instead of the ones being told to deal with it. I trust conservatives to run public schools much more than progressives. They have proven themselves psychologically unstable.
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Old 09-22-2021, 04:55 PM
 
Location: Denver CO
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Practical; just do it.

No thanks, no kool aid for me.

The data out of Israel shows the potion isn't working as sold.

The definition of "vaccine" has just been altered; no longer means preventing infection, to a therapeutic lessening of severity of INFECTION!

Serious RED FLAGS everywhere.

Let me know when those 5~10 year long term side effect studies come in.....

enjoy unemployment then
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Old 09-22-2021, 04:55 PM
 
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The vaccine has FDA approval. It's no longer experimental any more than all the other vaccines we require people to get as a condition of attending school and so on.
4. StudyC4591009,entitled“ANon-InterventionalPost-ApprovalSafetyStudyof the Pfizer-BioNTech COVID-19 mRNA Vaccine in the United States,” to evaluate the occurrence of myocarditis and pericarditis following administration of COMIRNATY.
We acknowledge the timetable you submitted on August 21, 2021, which states that you will conduct this study according to the following schedule:
Final Protocol Submission: August 31, 2021 Monitoring Report Submission: October 31, 2022 Interim Report Submission: October 31, 2023 Study Completion: June 30, 2025
Final Report Submission: October 31, 2025
5. StudyC4591021,entitled“PostConditionalApprovalAc tiveSurveillanceStudy Among Individuals in Europe Receiving the Pfizer-BioNTech Coronavirus

Page 7 – STN BL 125742/0 – Elisa Harkins
Disease 2019 (COVID-19) Vaccine,” to evaluate the occurrence of myocarditis and pericarditis following administration of COMIRNATY.
We acknowledge the timetable you submitted on August 21, 2021, which states that you will conduct this study according to the following schedule:
Final Protocol Submission: August 11, 2021 Progress Report Submission: September 30, 2021 Interim Report 1 Submission: March 31, 2022 Interim Report 2 Submission: September 30, 2022 Interim Report 3 Submission: March 31, 2023 Interim Report 4 Submission: September 30, 2023 Interim Report 5 Submission: March 31, 2024 Study Completion: March 31, 2024
Final Report Submission: September 30, 2024
6. StudyC4591021substudytodescribethenaturalhistoryof myocarditisand pericarditis following administration of COMIRNATY.
We acknowledge the timetable you submitted on August 21, 2021, which states that you will conduct this study according to the following schedule:
Final Protocol Submission: January 31, 2022 Study Completion: March 31, 2024
Final Report Submission: September 30, 2024

https://www.fda.gov/media/151710/download

It may be approved by the FDA however the studies are not complete and won’t be for years. This was because the process was rushed. Unlike the other vaccines you referred to.
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Old 09-22-2021, 04:56 PM
 
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Practical; just do it.

No thanks, no kool aid for me.

The data out of Israel shows the potion isn't working as sold.

The definition of "vaccine" has just been altered; no longer means preventing infection; to a therapeutic lessening of severity of INFECTION!

Serious RED FLAGS everywhere.

Let me know when those 5~10 year long term side effect studies come in.....

Which side effects are you talking about? The ebola vaccine (which is of identical nature) has been in testing for much longer. What side effects did you observe?
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