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Old 10-16-2021, 10:21 AM
 
Location: My beloved Bluegrass
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That is just pure right wing nonsense that they have been perpetrating throughout the nation, I am hoping that voters are more intelligent than to buy into that fantasy. After this election the school board themes will be gone and the republicans will move onto the next conspiracy.
If McAuliffe loses it won’t be right wing voters doing it, it will be independents and Northern Virginia soccer moms responsible. Virginia is now a blue leaning purple state and that is precisely my point as to why National Democratic leadership better pay attention. There are lines that can not be crossed if you want anyone beyond your base voting for you. Saying out loud that you don’t think parents should be the ones deciding what their child learns big time crosses one of those lines. No right wing person forced him to say those words, he did it and then doubled down on it.
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Old 10-16-2021, 10:27 AM
 
Location: East Lansing, MI
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Nobody polled me.


But I am most definitely going to be voting.

What does my post have to do with either of those statements?
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Old 10-16-2021, 10:54 AM
 
Location: Where my bills arrive
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If McAuliffe loses it won’t be right wing voters doing it, it will be independents and Northern Virginia soccer moms responsible. Virginia is now a blue leaning purple state and that is precisely my point as to why National Democratic leadership better pay attention. There are lines that can not be crossed if you want anyone beyond your base voting for you. Saying out loud that you don’t think parents should be the ones deciding what their child learns big time crosses one of those lines. No right wing person forced him to say those words, he did it and then doubled down on it.
Your right that one did go to far but what do you call it when a Youngkin support rally is saying the Pledge of Allegiance to a flag carried at the January 6 riot? That's a not so subtle way to swear allegiance to Trump, The Big Lie, The Lost Cause V2.0 and all the other right wing positions. He may not have been present but he didn't condemn it either as he tries to keep up the facade of being a moderate which he's not.

Of course his kids go/went to private school so until now he probally never even paid attendion to the Public Schools in his community...
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Old 10-16-2021, 11:04 AM
 
Location: outlying Richmond, Va.
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Your right that one did go to far but what do you call it when a Youngkin support rally is saying the Pledge of Allegiance to a flag carried at the January 6 riot? That's a not so subtle way to swear allegiance to Trump, The Big Lie, The Lost Cause V2.0 and all the other right wing positions. He may not have been present but he didn't condemn it either as he tries to keep up the facade of being a moderate which he's not.

Of course his kids go/went to private school so until now he probally never even paid attendion to the Public Schools in his community...


What exactly does calling the pledge "weird and wrong" mean if not condemnation?

Youngkin calls rally flag pledge ‘weird and wrong’

https://apnews.com/article/donald-tr...6dada869ba0e3d

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Give it up, you're grasping at straws here. You're losing because Independents in Virginia are not dumb enough to believe Trump is on the ballot, despite your insistence! Only easily brainwashed Democrats think that, which is why Terry M's new game plan is telling them if they don't vote for him well then they're paving the way for Trump to regain the White House. Reeks of desperation. Sad!

PS: McAuliffe's kids also went to an elite private school in the most expensive zip code in all of Virginia. He thinks only parents with money can direct their child's education, not those who send to public school. So what's your point?
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Old 10-16-2021, 11:04 AM
 
Location: the very edge of the continent
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How does that cross a line ????

Lets be honest, that question was posed in the context of religious beliefs. And im sure the only people who actually disagree with his answer are either themselves super religious and want our schools to teach Christian beliefs, which we long ago got rid of as a requirement, or people who just dont like Democrats.

Neither of which were ever going to vote for the Democrat.
I disagree. For example, Fairfax County Public Schools' decision to discriminate against Asians and to a lesser extent Whites in its admissions process to the selective enrollment TJHS has nothing to do with religion and has angered a LOT of parents who usually vote Dem. Now, McAuliffe telling them they have no right to any say in how their public schools function and then doubling down on that is a HUGE insult on top of an already unacceptable injury.

Believe me, parents are ANGRY with the VA Dems in both the state government and their public school districts.
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Old 10-16-2021, 11:07 AM
 
Location: Boston
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I have no idea who'll win but having Biden in the WH has got to be a big advantage for Youngkin. Why would any politician want Biden to make an endorsement after his first disastrous 9 months.
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Old 10-16-2021, 11:11 AM
 
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If McAuliffe loses it won’t be right wing voters doing it, it will be independents and Northern Virginia soccer moms responsible. Virginia is now a blue leaning purple state and that is precisely my point as to why National Democratic leadership better pay attention. There are lines that can not be crossed if you want anyone beyond your base voting for you. Saying out loud that you don’t think parents should be the ones deciding what their child learns big time crosses one of those lines. No right wing person forced him to say those words, he did it and then doubled down on it.
I agreed with McAuliffe in his statement and it was not phrased the way you stated above. He said that parents should not dictate what schools teach. Honestly, parents shouldn't. I mean, which parents get the last word? Which parents decide or "dicate" what's taught? What if Johnny's parents scream louder than Jenny's parents? Or have more money? Do Johnny's parents get to decide? What if a faction of people who don't like certain books harass school board meetings every month, make the news, and get lots of "likes" but 80% of the parents don't care about those books? Which parents dictate? What about the students who want to learn certain subjects but have that taken away because of a more narrow view of something?

In that vein, I agree with him. You can't have a curriculum jerked all around every year by the whims of parents. You publicly run the school system, you get a broad consensus of people across the state or county to decide and agree on curriculum and you teach it. If you as a parent don't like a particular lesson, book, etc, you opt out of that. If the entire curriculum bothers you, you homeschool or private school and you also VOTE VOTE VOTE in local elections and tell your representatives. But I totally disagree that loud, screaming parents get to make a choice for all of us.
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Old 10-16-2021, 11:15 AM
 
Location: West Palm Beach, FL
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I agreed with McAuliffe in his statement and it was not phrased the way you stated above. He said that parents should not dictate what schools teach. Honestly, parents shouldn't. I mean, which parents get the last word? Which parents decide or "dicate" what's taught? What if Johnny's parents scream louder than Jenny's parents? Or have more money? Do Johnny's parents get to decide? What if a faction of people who don't like certain books harass school board meetings every month, make the news, and get lots of "likes" but 80% of the parents don't care about those books? Which parents dictate? What about the students who want to learn certain subjects but have that taken away because of a more narrow view of something?

In that vein, I agree with him. You can't have a curriculum jerked all around every year by the whims of parents. You publicly run the school system, you get a broad consensus of people across the state or county to decide and agree on curriculum and you teach it. If you as a parent don't like a particular lesson, book, etc, you opt out of that. If the entire curriculum bothers you, you homeschool or private school and you also VOTE VOTE VOTE in local elections and tell your representatives. But I totally disagree that loud, screaming parents get to make a choice for all of us.
Yeah Chrissy, it’s so much better to have the extremists in the teachers’ unions dictating what kids learn. Why would anyone think that stupid parents should have a say? I hope McAuliffe loses just to annoy elitists.
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Old 10-16-2021, 11:18 AM
 
Location: Where my bills arrive
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What exactly does calling the pledge "weird and wrong" mean if not condemnation?

Youngkin calls rally flag pledge ‘weird and wrong’

https://apnews.com/article/donald-tr...6dada869ba0e3d

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Give it up, you're grasping at straws here. You're losing because Independents in Virginia are not dumb enough to believe Trump is on the ballot, despite your insistence! Only easily brainwashed Democrats think that, which is why Terry M's new game plan is telling them if they don't vote for him well then they're paving the way for Trump to regain the White House. LOL
Considering the garbage that the GOP supports as reflected in the flag event (held on Youngkins behalf) calling Democrats brainwashed is the biggest oxymoron I have read in a while. I don't think people view a GOP win as a Trump path to the White House what they don't want is the right wing views that he holds and will support from the parties national message because GOP members are not allowed to think or act by themselves.

On another note,you as a poster condemned McAuliffe because his kids attended private schools but wouldn't provide an answer on Glenn's kid(s) well know we know why Georgetown Prep (@$40K a year). I guess we'll have to condemn him too for not using Public Education...
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Old 10-16-2021, 11:25 AM
 
Location: Boston
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I believe McAuliffe will win. I saw the direction of Virginia politics 15 years ago and pulled up stakes.
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