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Q. What do climate change and Covid have in common?
A. Climate deniers and anti-vaxxers don't have any valid and published science that backs their beliefs so they go on political discussion forums and Facebook and spread their misinformation there (and here). It's all they got.
Q. What do climate change and Covid have in common?
A. Climate deniers and anti-vaxxers don't have any valid and published science that backs their beliefs so they go on political discussion forums and Facebook and spread their misinformation there (and here). It's all they got.
Who denies climate? Sometimes it rains, sometimes it's sunny. In Elliott's California world though, Fauci is the supreme leader and THE SCIENCE himself. All hail
About the same effectiveness as a cloth mask with anthrax or even tear gas. None! But it's peace of mind for those who "believe".
It's about catching sneeze and cough droplets. That's about it. The 3M mask is way more effective though but exactly how much more, I don't know. The standard blue and white cheapos we use are really just virtue signaling, although the do catch sneeze droplets and reduce the carry distance.
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Originally Posted by GotHereQuickAsICould
So healthy children need not be vaccinated against Covid, eh?
Does this mean healthy children need not be vaccinated against diphtheria, whooping cough, measles, mumps, tetanus, polio, ...?
Hardly. Polio has an almost 100% serious body damage and even death rate. That and an almost zero vaccine adverse effect plus almost 100% protection and a near lifetime protection.
I had whooping cough as an adult. It's not fun. No-one finds it fun.
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Originally Posted by Elliott_CA
Q. What do climate change and Covid have in common?
A. Climate deniers and anti-vaxxers don't have any valid and published science that backs their beliefs so they go on political discussion forums and Facebook and spread their misinformation there (and here). It's all they got.
I'm not an anti-vaxxer. I'm an anti-mandater/pro informed choicer. I'm very much anti- unnecessarily forced under 12 vaxxer.
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Hardly. Polio has an almost 100% serious body damage and even death rate. That and an almost zero vaccine adverse effect plus almost 100% protection and a near lifetime protection.
I had whooping cough as an adult. It's not fun. No-one finds it fun.
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Lot of unvaccinated people didn't get polio, and of the ones who did, only a small percentage ended up in iron lungs or the morgue.
Many survived and with determination and therapy, lived productive, active lives. As they got older, some had post-polio symptoms. I worked with some of these people in helping them learn to go about their activities of day living in ways that minimized muscle recruitment.
And yes, there were adverse effects from the vaccination, and the near lifetime protection is because nearly everyone is vaccinated as a child, so those whose immunity wore off, or never took in the first place, are not exposed to polio.
According to the CDC, "It is not known how long people who received IPV will be immune to poliovirus,"
Whooping cough is not fun either. "CDC estimates that in the first year after getting vaccinated with Tdap, it protects about 7 out of 10 people who receive it. There is a decrease in effectiveness in each following year. About 3 or 4 out of 10 people are fully protected 4 years after getting Tdap."
Strange that many of those who keep demanding that we get things back to the way they used to are the same people who refuse to get vaccinated and/or wear masks, the very strategies that will get things back to the way they used to be.
I have never read a thing that said the vaccinations are 100% effective. If there are reputable links to such information, please post.
I have also read the 85% - 95% (roughly 33% in ICUs and 15% of in-patient care) of those hospitalized with Covid are not vaccinated. Two out of every three in ICUs are non-covid and 6 out of every 7 with in-patient care are non-covid.
Strange that people who believe in natural immunities show up at hospitals rather than give their body's immune system a chance to do its work.
So healthy children need not be vaccinated against Covid, eh?
Does this mean healthy children need not be vaccinated against diphtheria, whooping cough, measles, mumps, tetanus, polio, ...?
Using YOUR logic everyone should wear a Nomex suit, helmet, 5 point harness and have roll bars in their cars when driving!
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Originally Posted by Elliott_CA
Q. What do climate change and Covid have in common?
A. Climate deniers and anti-vaxxers don't have any valid and published science that backs their beliefs so they go on political discussion forums and Facebook and spread their misinformation there (and here). It's all they got.
You know what ELSE they have in common? NO debate or dissent allowed! Also, they cancel, corrupt or cast out any of their own that speak out against, offer other solutions or do any research that doesn't match the desired outcome!
Interpretation Vaccination reduces the risk of delta variant infection and accelerates viral clearance. Nonetheless, fully vaccinated individuals with breakthrough infections have peak viral load similar to unvaccinated cases and can efficiently transmit infection in household settings, including to fully vaccinated contacts. Host–virus interactions early in infection may shape the entire viral trajectory.
"Accelerating viral clearance" would suggest that while peak viral loads might be the same, the duration you were at peak loads, and by extension any contagious viral load, would be shorter than if you were not vaccinated. Not to mention it reduces the risk of being infected with Delta in the first place.
So.....
Hold on.
If you have reduced risk of being infected with Delta - btw, there’s Delta + now - how do you shad the virus then?
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