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Old 11-08-2021, 01:15 PM
 
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It has already been demonstrated that one does not get lifelong immunity from having been infected.

Herd immunity via infection is a myth.
Lifetime immunity is not needed for herd immunity, just enough natural infection in a period of time to drive the virus into extinction. This is theoretically possible, but not likely. It’s an impossibility with the vaccines.
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Old 11-08-2021, 01:26 PM
 
Location: Sector 001
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Lifetime immunity is not needed for herd immunity, just enough natural infection in a period of time to drive the virus into extinction. This is theoretically possible, but not likely. It’s an impossibility with the vaccines.
You would have to vaccinate everyone and then give a dose of live virus 2 months later, to everyone on the planet, all in unison. Otherwise the differing time frames would cause the virus to spread in some areas and then global travel would ensure it goes back to other areas. It would never work, because you'd never get total global compliance.

It would never work, because other mammal species can spread the disease. It's here to say. We're going to have to find a way to deal with it that doesn't involve a perpetual global police state where people have to mask and social distance for the next 50 years. The young and healthy don't deserve that prison sentence to help the old and obese.

This is fascinating because in the past the genetically susceptible people would have simply been killed off. Now we have modern medicine and this is the first novel virus that is so transmissible in modern times, so it will be curious to see what happens... if people will be more susceptible to covid permanently the older they get, or if our body's immune systems will learn the virus better the more times we are exposed to it.

This is really all one big experiment in progress, on so many levels...

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Old 11-08-2021, 01:27 PM
 
Location: Western PA
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It has already been demonstrated that one does not get lifelong immunity from having been infected.

Also, herd immunity via infection is a myth. It happens to be the basis for many theories being touted by anti-vaxxers, but it doesn't work reliably. In cases where a disease is allowed to run wild it never goes away.

Vaccines, on the other hand, have the potential of making some diseases extinct. It requires a comprehensive approach. We almost beat polio with vaccines and there were a couple of other truly successful efforts.
none of that is true. it has however been shown that of those that actually had it, in this county only a few dozen got it again, and they had circumstances. however it has also been shown that those who got it after vaccination, get it over, and over, and over again. they may not die, but they get it and spread it EASIER. Herd immunity (you know the thing the fauc is on tape as saying we need to get to by having controlled infections via lockdowns a la 2020) via infection is one of the sole reasons the human species still exists....
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Old 11-08-2021, 01:29 PM
 
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You would have to vaccinate everyone and then give a dose of live virus 2 months later, to everyone on the planet, all in unison. Otherwise the differing time frames would cause the virus to spread in some areas and then global travel would ensure it goes back to other areas. It would never work, because you'd never get total global compliance.
For natural infection? I think just 60% need to get it in under 2 year time span.

Vaccinations we have for COVID are worthless. There are studies indicating vaccinating someone who has had COVID decreases his or her protective immunity against the N protein of the virus.
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Old 11-08-2021, 01:30 PM
 
Location: East Lansing, MI
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When they say mild, they don’t mean “no permanent damage” just that the inflammation goes away without requiring hospitalization.

Ask them, for a mild case of myocarditis from the vaccines if they can guarantee no underlying tissue death and they will say they don’t know.
Incorrect. Feel free to browse the link I posted earlier.
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Old 11-08-2021, 01:32 PM
 
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Incorrect. Feel free to browse the link I posted earlier.
You don’t understand your own link. Myocarditis is inflammation not tissue damage. Just because inflammation subsides doesn’t mean there is no tissue damage. Prove me wrong.
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Old 11-08-2021, 01:38 PM
 
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You considered 1 benefit, now what about the risks?
No risks that I know of. What risk concerns you?
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Old 11-08-2021, 01:40 PM
 
Location: NY
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And yet that's exactly what people who do not want the vaccine or to wear masks in the workplace are telling people who are immunocompromised (so vaccines are less effective) or who cannot get vaccinated due to health issues.
No one is being told to 'start their own business' because they are immunocompromised. People who are immunocompromised have problems with contagious diseases even without Covid, but there are things they can do to make the workplace safer.

They have access to the vaccines, boosters, masks, monoclonal antibody treatments, ADA accommodations...

Meanwhile, people are being coerced into having injections that ruin their careers, cause injury and death, and are denied compensation due to Pharma having no liability. When a drug has risks, there must be choice.

My daughter can't get vaccinated due to health issues, and every mandate HARMS her far more than helps her. She is now basically unemployable because medical exemptions are worthless.
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Old 11-08-2021, 01:45 PM
 
Location: A Nation Possessed
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Secondly, he referred to it as the "liberal vaccine". It isn't.
It may not have been a "liberal vaccine" when developed, but that sure is who is pushing the hell out of it now. Simply one more reason for me to be diametrically opposed to any utterance coming out of a liberal's (of the authoritarian collective variety) mouth. They stand loud and proud for any and everything that used to be called "evil." (in this case making medical choices for everyone, rather than the way it should be--for THEMSELVES)
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Old 11-08-2021, 01:47 PM
 
Location: East Lansing, MI
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You don’t understand your own link. Myocarditis is inflammation not tissue damage. Just because inflammation subsides doesn’t mean there is no tissue damage. Prove me wrong.
I do understand the link and that's not how the burden of proof works, professor.

Again, feel free to revisit the link I posted.
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